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Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:02 PM

uh oh.

 

http://www.foxnews.c...nment-confirms/

 





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Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:06 PM

You possibly killed 3 of our people? Well, that means we can kill 300 of you.



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:53 PM

I'm beginning to think all murders of Israelis end up getting blamed on Hamas. Which is an Israeli serial killer's wet dream.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:55 PM

But Israel is a bastion of peace and freedom and they love Palestinian children. Nice bit of propaganda to finish off the series of bombings since the students went missing.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:12 PM

But Israel is a bastion of peace and freedom and they love Palestinian children. Nice bit of propaganda to finish off the series of bombings since the students went missing.

 

Read the article, that's insane. That's a new low.



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:52 PM

Yeah, but think of it this way:  100 dead Legion members for every 1 dead Invictan.  See?  Suddenly it doesn't seem so crazy, does it?

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 05:11 PM

well yea but... lol



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:49 PM

Is one of those children is an American Citizen. I remember Seeing it on CNN.

 

http://www.foxnews.c...nment-confirms/

 

 

The bodies of the youths -- including one with U.S. citizenship -- were found just north of Hebron.

 

 

I found it. It was also on Fox Too...



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:05 PM

Zionist Air Force bombs 34 targets in Gaza Strip; Hebron home of suspected kidnapper.

That last one really gets me. Hebron is under Zionist occupation. You know what civilized countries do when someone's suspected of carrying out a crime in territory they administer? They arrest and charge them. You know what they don't do? Bomb their house.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 07:30 AM

Yes, one of the kids was an American citizen.  This isn't the first time an American has been killed in Israel, and it likely will not be the last, sadly.  The Israelis talk a good game about peaceful coexistence, but that's not what they really want.  Actions speak louder than words.



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 11:18 AM

Yes, one of the kids was an American citizen.  This isn't the first time an American has been killed in Israel, and it likely will not be the last, sadly.  The Israelis talk a good game about peaceful coexistence, but that's not what they really want.  Actions speak louder than words.

 

Well was a dual citizen...



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 11:38 AM

Well was a dual citizen...

 

Okay, half an American.  I think you have to be an American citizen first, though.



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 02:30 PM

Okay, half an American.  I think you have to be an American citizen first, though.


I'm curious as to what that means. How does one citizenship take priority over another, say?



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:46 PM

Dual citizens usually have a primary and a secondary citizenship.  Britain and, I think, the United States insist that their citizenship be primary.  I don't know how that works with dual American/British citizenship.  Maybe that's not even possible.

 

American citizenship is a strange thing.  Natural-born citizens can never really lose their citizenship.  Even if you relinquish, if you literally walk into a US embassy overseas, hand in your passport and declare yourself to be no longer an American citizen, the moment you want it back they'll give it to you, no questions asked.  This is what made it so easy for Lee Harvey Oswald to return to the United States after defecting to Russia.  As far as the US government is concerned, natural-born citizens are always citizens.  I don't know if it's the same for naturalized citizens, though.  My guess is no.

 

A trend among the super-rich in recent years has been to have no citizenship at all, presumably for tax purposes.



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

I find that idea especially strange in light of the new tax laws that force Americans living overseas to pay income tax back home. It's seen a record number of Americans relinquish their citizenship so far this year: but if that citizenship can't really be 'relinquished', what difference should it make?

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

Strange still how are they entering a country and buying property with no passport...



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 04:43 PM

I find that idea especially strange in light of the new tax laws that force Americans living overseas to pay income tax back home. It's seen a record number of Americans relinquish their citizenship so far this year: but if that citizenship can't really be 'relinquished', what difference should it make?

 

Oh, you don't have to pay taxes while it's relinquished.  The point is that you can get it back whenever you want it.

 

Americans living overseas are permitted to earn a certain amount of money tax-free anyway, and it's a fairly substantial sum.  When I was in Saudi Arabia in '07 it was around $58,000 a year; now it's probably higher.  After that you only pay taxes on the difference.  And, of course, if you're living overseas there is really no way to prove how much money you make.  The IRS can't demand W-2s from foreign employers.  Well, I guess they can try, but it won't do them much good.  So it's still pretty easy to hide your money overseas.

 

I'm not sure what stateless individuals do when they're traveling.  I think I read somewhere that they can get a travel document from the UN which essentially works like a passport.  They'd still have to pay taxes wherever they were living, of course — assuming that place has taxes.  A lot of them set up house in tax havens like the Cayman Islands for that very reason. 

 

You don't need a passport to buy property, just money.



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 04:53 PM

Americans living overseas are permitted to earn a certain amount of money tax-free anyway, and it's a fairly substantial sum.  When I was in Saudi Arabia in '07 it was around $58,000 a year; now it's probably higher.  After that you only pay taxes on the difference.  And, of course, if you're living overseas there is really no way to prove how much money you make.  The IRS can't demand W-2s from foreign employers.  Well, I guess they can try, but it won't do them much good.  So it's still pretty easy to hide your money overseas.


I was under the impression the new regulations (in effect from today, actually) were going to attempt to clamp down on tax avoidance by nonresident citizens by forcing banks to disclose information about Americans' financial holdings. Admittedly, as I'm not a US citizen, I've not bothered to look into it too carefully.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 04:59 PM

That's not tax avoidance, that's US tax law.  But remember, $58k is chump change.  It's the big guys and their millions, maybe even billions, in unpaid taxes they're after.

 

PS:  I am told by friends still in Saudi that it is now $97,000 a year.  And I was mistaken — the year I was there it was $72k.  $58k a year is what I made there.  Tax-free.  :D



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 06:09 PM

I like the idea of statelessness a lot. I just don't have enough money to do so~




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