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Posted 10 March 2016 - 09:45 AM

I guess a good indicator of the "center" would be the variance of the percentages among all the candidates. E.g. my biggest score is 78%, and my lowest 62%. That's what I would call a "centrist".

 

Not really. Everything is relative. What Americans think of as a "centrist" is still pretty far to the right compared to the rest of the developed world. Most of our Democrats would be center-right conservatives in Europe. Most of our Republicans would be ultra-right nationalists. Our country is moving to the left, to be sure, but the process is slow.



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Posted 11 March 2016 - 12:17 PM

Yeah, I can agree with that. My observation was not related to an absolute referential, but to the context of the pool's data. I took the quiz "as if" I was living in the US (which of course I'm not).

On another note, I hope you're wrong in assessing the direction to which your country is moving. :P

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Posted 11 March 2016 - 02:00 PM

You've had a bad experience with the left in your country, Draculea. Our move to the left is more social and democratic (small "d") in nature. More Scandinavia, less Warsaw Pact. But, of course, that was always the weakness of Marxism/Leninism and its offshoots. Socialism must be arrived at naturally through a process of gradual social change. It cannot be imposed on a country that is not ready and enforced by authoritarianism, at least not without terrible consequences. But I don't have to tell you that!

 

Are you old enough to remember much of Ceaucescu? I'd be interested to hear what it was like growing up under such a system. 



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Posted 12 March 2016 - 03:46 AM

What it was like growing up in such a system? I guess it's a bit hard to imagine, if you have no experience of totalitarianism as a everyday presence. The state did not merely want to control your social behavior, but also your mind and soul. The state was not pleased with "Give the Caesar what belongs to the Caesar...", they aimed at creating a "new man" (an official propaganda term), one in which any form of alternative thinking would be eradicated. The Secret Police (the odious Securitate) was omnipresent, so every citizen had to be very careful what he talked, and especially with whom. Most people developed a form of "double thinking", with a facet for the official and social circumstances, and the other for themselves, their families and close friends. Does it sound any bell as of "1984"? It should.



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 12:24 AM

Yeah, I'm just going to say, the political spectrum is a horseshoe on the Sane vs Crazy graph. If you go too left, or go too right, you go too crazy.

 

The Soviet "Left" was so far left as to be close to the Nazi "Right". They're both in the middle of batshit crazyland.

The US is over on the right somewhere, going left a bit will pull them more into sane territory. China is too far left, if they go right a bit, they'll start becoming more sane.



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 08:28 PM

What it was like growing up in such a system? I guess it's a bit hard to imagine, if you have no experience of totalitarianism as a everyday presence. The state did not merely want to control your social behavior, but also your mind and soul. The state was not pleased with "Give the Caesar what belongs to the Caesar...", they aimed at creating a "new man" (an official propaganda term), one in which any form of alternative thinking would be eradicated. The Secret Police (the odious Securitate) was omnipresent, so every citizen had to be very careful what he talked, and especially with whom. Most people developed a form of "double thinking", with a facet for the official and social circumstances, and the other for themselves, their families and close friends. Does it sound any bell as of "1984"? It should.

 

It does sound like 1984. But what is telling to me is that none of what you describe is specifically socialist or "left-wing." The same statements could just as easily have been made about living in a right-wing totalitarian society. In fact it sounds a lot like my grandmother's descriptions of growing up in Nazi Germany.

 

We often read about children in North Korea being taught that Kim makes the sun rise and the flowers bloom, etc. Did that kind of indoctrination/brainwashing exist around the Ceaucescu family?

 

Oh, and did you ever have a Dacia? :)

 

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 04:29 AM

What it was like growing up in such a system? I guess it's a bit hard to imagine, if you have no experience of totalitarianism as a everyday presence. The state did not merely want to control your social behavior, but also your mind and soul. The state was not pleased with "Give the Caesar what belongs to the Caesar...", they aimed at creating a "new man" (an official propaganda term), one in which any form of alternative thinking would be eradicated. The Secret Police (the odious Securitate) was omnipresent, so every citizen had to be very careful what he talked, and especially with whom. Most people developed a form of "double thinking", with a facet for the official and social circumstances, and the other for themselves, their families and close friends. Does it sound any bell as of "1984"? It should.

 

It does sound like 1984. But what is telling to me is that none of what you describe is specifically socialist or "left-wing." The same statements could just as easily have been made about living in a right-wing totalitarian society. In fact it sounds a lot like my grandmother's descriptions of growing up in Nazi Germany.

See my previous point. Gone So Left you Hit Crazy.




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