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As I write these words it is 88° F outside, with a "RealFeel" (a measurement I am convinced Accuweather created to make us more miserable) of 102°.  The prediction for today is 95°.  This sucks.

 

Having spent some time in the desert, I can tell you that the old adage, "it's not the heat, it's the humidity," is absolutely true.  It's so hot that I cannot walk outside without being drenched in sweat almost immediately.  It feels like stepping into a sauna, or the bathroom after someone has taken a very long, very hot shower.  I'll take 100° and dry over 85° any day of the week.  And it's not set to break until at least next week.

 

And to top it all off, I'm housesitting for my mother this weekend.  Housesitting for my mother really means horsesitting, which means mucking out stalls and hauling wheelbarrows around in obnoxious heat and humidity.  And my mother's house is not air conditioned.  I basically spent yesterday holed up in the cellar — it's not finished or anything, just a plain old cellar, but at least it's cool.  Well, cooler.

 

How did people do this in the old days?  You see pictures of people from the 1800s and they're all wearing wool suits in the middle of summer!

[The Dark Empire]

You play hard and go hard. You drench yourself in sweat and you keep going. You take of your shirt. And you constantly drink water. Constantly. I workout in the heat every day so I know how to deal with it and the secret is hydration.

[rotty]

Drink lots a wawa son.
Yesterday was 88f and that was the coolest it has been for over a week. We had a couple of humid 103f days in that week so Im glad that heat wave is finally headed east. Enjoy

[Manoka]

There weren't a lot of people in the 1800's.

 

Everyone talks of how modern society is so terrible but really, when you take air conditioning for granted, and clean food, there's going to be this whole new world open to you called nature.

[Haflinger]

The 19th century was a minor ice age. It was colder.

[Manoka]

The 19th century was a minor ice age. It was colder.

 

By like, 1 degree.

 

So it's 104 outside, not 105, or it's 2 degrees colder in the winter, doesn't seem like that big of a deal. xP

[linkkjm]

bitches please. It's 104 in Phoenix.

[Thrash]

Christ, this heat is nothing..   grow a spine.

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Ugh.  I hate it.  I'd rather have a cold snap than a heatwave any day.  I can't imagine what this region must have been like 100 years ago.  They had heatwaves too, maybe not as many but they had them.  And humidity.  Global warming hasn't changed the underlying climactic conditions here, just enhanced them.  It was hot and humid then as now, just not quite as hot or as humid.  But 85° F and 75% relative humidity are a shitty combination no matter how many times it happens.  Especially in the era of no air conditioning and wool bathing suits!

 

[Thrash]

ugh and they're all wearing black too...

 

people must've smelled really bad back then... BUT..

 

i'd still take then over now anyday.

 

and I'm with you.. I prefer winter.

[Redezra]

Pff, you people.

 

Welcome to the average summer day in 'Straya.

[Haflinger]

The 19th century was a minor ice age. It was colder.

By like, 1 degree.

So it's 104 outside, not 105, or it's 2 degrees colder in the winter, doesn't seem like that big of a deal. xP

Globally it was about three degrees Celsius colder. That does make a difference.

Hell, global average temperatures have gone up more than 1 degree F since the 50s.

[Thrash]

Hell, global average temperatures have gone up more than 1 degree F since the 50s.

 

Oh no, the weather is moving in it's natural cycles:

 

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But it's not.  The evidence on that is clear and unambiguous.  We have altered the world's climate, and we are going to have to learn to live with it.  Luckily we are a highly adaptable species.

[Manoka]

But it's not.  The evidence on that is clear and unambiguous.  We have altered the world's climate, and we are going to have to learn to live with it.

 

Unambiguous?

Edited by Manoka, 06 July 2013 - 06:42 PM.

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Unambiguous.  Are there dissenters?  Yes.  They represent around 5% of the scientific community.  It's really not as two-sided an argument as the media likes to portray.  They just need a story.  "Climate Change Is Here: Get Used To It" doesn't make for as compelling a story.  For myself, I'm at a point where I no longer care whether people believe it or not.  It is upon us already, we've seen weather patterns change within our lifetimes.  We will learn to adapt or we will suffer the consequences.  In the rich, developed countries we will probably be able to adapt more readily, and therefore the impact will be less.  Assuming we're not in a food crisis, which is a very real possibility.

 

That's why I think we should invent Soylent Green.

[Manoka]

What polling center polled 95% of all scientists?

 

Further more, by what definition did they guage the term "scientist"?

 

 

I'm a scientist, you're a scientist, technically, practically everyone is a scientist, if we judge it by someone who studies life. A scientist can be, in a broad sense, one engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge.  In a more restricted sense, a scientist is an individual who uses the scientific method; so the definition is not exactly solid and theoretically can apply to anyone and everyone.

 

And what does it matter what people believe?

 

 

Sure, there may be 50% of the population who think that armageddon is coming in 50 years and the earth will be extremely warm as hellfire and brimstone rains down and the rapture will wisk away our best people but...

 

I'm asking for scientific data on the subject, not opinion.

 

 

So I'm not sure the results even matter.

 

Besides, shouldn't we be focusing on climatologists, at the height in their field, and looking at their data, recovered from satellites and whatnot?

Edited by Manoka, 06 July 2013 - 08:01 PM.

[Haflinger]

Yeah, let's not get into a global warming/climate change debate in a mostly unrelated thread about wool clothes.

 

There are natural cycles in weather patterns; there were two minor ice ages in the last thousand years. If you look back to clothes in a particular period and everyone's wearing thick wool stuff in Spain, it's probably just one of those periods.

[Thrash]

I'm a scientist, you're a scientist, technically, practically everyone is a scientist, if we judge it by someone who studies life.

[Redezra]

Look, whoever so much as questions global warming now is being an idiot. That's not me saying it, that's freaking science.

 

Now to be honest, I don't expect many, if any of you to understand how the scientific process works, or how we actually manage to find this stuff out, because very many of you simply do not have the mental equiptment to actually understand proper science. I'm not kidding, did you really think anyone could become a proper scientist? People who do proper scientific, quantitative research and manage to draw conclusions from it are really special people. I have a nice vague fuzzy idea, but at least I understand the process is functionally infalliable given enough time.

 

That out of the way, almost all studies on climate change overwhelmingly support a drastic, un-natural climactic shift. Many more have linked human activities with climate change data in almost perfect correlation. The studies that stand apart from this are not peer reviewed, that is, nobody, not even the teams that came out with the research themselves, have been able to replicate the results. It's simply not true, just like the old tales of cold fusion.

 

As the weight of the data stands, it is an empirical fact that human activities on this planet have caused, and are very likely the primary causitive agent behind a very sharp rise in global temperature. End of story. If you don't believe that, it's either because you don't like the idea because it conflicts with your own, or because you don't understand science, or both. Either way, not your fault, you probably aren't cut out for it. However, this does not mean you are right. You're still wrong.

 

 

tl;dr: You're wrong, cause you can't science.

 

Also, it should get hotter.

Edited by Redezra, 07 July 2013 - 02:58 AM.