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[Manoka]

There're way too many eyewitnesses involved against the police. That's the real problem. If it was just a couple people, that'd be one thing, but there's just too much evidence.

 

Things seem to be calming down now that the state police have taken over. Hopefully we will see a resolution to the dispute in the coming months, but I have a feeling it'll take longer.

If these eyewitnesses are a part of the riots wouldn't that automatically make them biased?

 

The police could be biased, but they're not weighing in much on the matter. 

[Thrash]

here's a good eyewitness for ya

 

[Haflinger]

There're way too many eyewitnesses involved against the police. That's the real problem. If it was just a couple people, that'd be one thing, but there's just too much evidence.
 
Things seem to be calming down now that the state police have taken over. Hopefully we will see a resolution to the dispute in the coming months, but I have a feeling it'll take longer.

If these eyewitnesses are a part of the riots wouldn't that automatically make them biased?

They have supporting video evidence as well. You really need to follow the story more closely. There's a lot of evidence against this particular police department which does seem to have lost its way.

Hell, even the guy who ran the Seattle PD at the time of the WTO riots has weighed in against the Ferguson police.

 

The police could be biased, but they're not weighing in much on the matter. 

No, they're just releasing red herring reports about the dead guy's possible involvement in a convenience store robbery. I don't think they understand the gravity of the situation.

[Thrash]

While I don't think the release of robbing a store and assaulting someone deserves getting shot, it does show what lead up to it and it wasn't just a cop seeing a black person and starting trouble with them. He had a legitimate reason to approach him. What happened from that point is what's up in the air. But if you watch the video I posted, that guy is claiming the victim was lying on the ground, was shot 4 times in the head while on the ground and then shot 4 more times IN THE HEAD. I find that VERY hard to believe AND this is the only guy saying it, so it shows the credibility of when you're dealing with biased people.

 

It's also funny how people get all sorts of videos of people beating up people and police brutality and what not, but I don't see ANY of this particular incident. Why is that? If there was all these witnesses why didn't they bust out their phones?

[Haflinger]

Yeah, except that the released video doesn't show that. It shows a dispute between a black person and a convenience store clerk. What leads up to the dispute is really unclear.

 

The video the police released doesn't show the face of the black person or what happened when he entered the store. It doesn't show him entering the store at all. It just shows him getting into an altercation while leaving the store. Now, it could be that he stole something, but the video doesn't show that. It could be that he was in fact the kid who got shot. But there's no face on it.

 

It's all very sketchy. I hope the DoJ and/or state police get to the bottom of what really happened, because the stuff the Ferguson PD is putting out looks entirely like an attempt at a whitewash.

[Manoka]

 

There're way too many eyewitnesses involved against the police. That's the real problem. If it was just a couple people, that'd be one thing, but there's just too much evidence.
 
Things seem to be calming down now that the state police have taken over. Hopefully we will see a resolution to the dispute in the coming months, but I have a feeling it'll take longer.

If these eyewitnesses are a part of the riots wouldn't that automatically make them biased?

They have supporting video evidence as well. You really need to follow the story more closely. There's a lot of evidence against this particular police department which does seem to have lost its way.

Hell, even the guy who ran the Seattle PD at the time of the WTO riots has weighed in against the Ferguson police.

 

>The police could be biased, but they're not weighing in much on the matter. 

No, they're just releasing red herring reports about the dead guy's possible involvement in a convenience store robbery. I don't think they understand the gravity of the situation.

 

If we're going back to the video it had no context.

 

I have no idea what the situation is about. In fact it cuts out most of the car and the people, so idk what's up. 

[Thrash]

Now it appears that the cop who shot him wasn't aware of the robbery, so that connection is gone.

[Thrash]

It’s 3:45 a.m. in Ferguson: Time for looters to steal an electric saw and hair weaves!

[Thrash]

Also, now it appears officers have been required to stand down against any looters, which basically leaves all the shop owners helpless. When one of these shop owners takes steps to protect their property what's going to happen then?

 

Saw an interview with Jesse Jackson the other night saying how there's no stores left for people. GEE I WONDER WHY>

 

http://fox2now.com/2...is-in-ferguson/

[Redezra]

I think, just maybe, the local police need to be arrested by the state police. 

 

Cause, I dunno, there's reasonable belief that they've broken the law in a big way. And the people know it. 

I have a feeling people will calm down a bit if they are no longer feeling actively threatened.

[Haflinger]

The Governor of Missouri has declared a state of emergency and state police are enforcing a curfew. Lawlessness this is not.

[King Hobbs]

More molotov cocktails and shots fired at cops. Protestors were warned an hour before they were tear gassed.

 

Private Autopsy requested by Brown family reveals all six shots were to front of Michael Brown, contradicting witness story.

 

http://www.usatoday....guson/14196559/

[King Hobbs]

Also the officer HAD just gotten the description of the robbery suspects.

 

http://theconservati...-in-home-video/

 

Obviously this is probably biased but so is all the other bullshit stories. Its a hell of a lot more believable then the felon's stories.

 

I think the officer recognized the suspects from the description and what the cigars they were carrying. I think Michael Brown thought he was a big mother fucker who couldn't be hurt (both at the robbery and incident with cop) and tried to fight the cop to get away. I think there was a struggle (they have the gunshot in the car) and at some point in the fight the cop fired at Brown killing him.

 

I think this Johnson guy is obviously a lying scumbag.  His story doesn't make any sense and contradicts himself.

 

And those bitching about cops in riot gear and armored vehicles, if someone is throwing molotovs and shooting at you, id bet you would wear whatever protective gear you could! Their most "military grade" weapons are probably their AR rifles, most of which are likely civilian semi-auto only models! The armored vehicles only have tear gas launchers, no canons, no machine guns, no mini guns, nothing the military would use. They are probably wearing fatigues because they are cheaper than specialized police gear. When you are faced with a mob, why would you not use the best, most versatile gear you could? Fatigues aren't an offensive weapon. Riot gear isn't an offensive weapon. 

 

The cops haven't shot anyone (something the protestors cant claim) so stop saying they're trying to provoke violence or they started this. The idiots of Ferguson started it and the jackasses like Al Sharpton and Benjamin Crump and all these "civil rights" groups are continuing. Talking about racial tensions and bullshit instead of the simple facts. This isn't black v white, its rioters and looters v. police.  You can watch live video of rioters throwing gas cannisters back at police!

[Manoka]

In all likelihood, this was probably an accident. While tragic, it doesn't make sense to go crazy, let alone attack all the police. 

[Redezra]

I don't think the law is relevant right now. Not when an entire town is in open revolt. Pushing harder is not going to help, it's only going to create more enemies.

[ᗅᗺᗷᗅ]

And now the National Guard has been called in.  Because that always helps.

 

Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming...

[Justavictim82]

And now the National Guard has been called in. Because that always helps.

Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming...

Except in this case that would have been the correct call to call in the National Guard.... 8 days ago. They, unlike the cops who are trying to play soldier, are trained how to disperse riots. National Guard also uses military equipment like armored vehicles unlike normal police. Also being a 3rd party, there would have been more restraint by those who used molotovs because they didn't feel like they were being oppressed by the same cops who shot Brown.

As far as the gunshots go, there is a report by an autopsy specialist from CNN that two of the gunshot wounds that hit Brown were in the arm and hand and were consistant with a man who had his hands raised and was not resisting.

[King Biscuit]

And now the National Guard has been called in. Because that always helps.

Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming...

Except in this case that would have been the correct call to call in the National Guard.... 8 days ago. They, unlike the cops who are trying to play soldier, are trained how to disperse riots. National Guard also uses military equipment like armored vehicles unlike normal police. Also being a 3rd party, there would have been more restraint by those who used molotovs because they didn't feel like they were being oppressed by the same cops who shot Brown.

As far as the gunshots go, there is a report by an autopsy specialist from CNN that two of the gunshot wounds that hit Brown were in the arm and hand and were consistant with a man who had his hands raised and was not resisting.

 

And, lest we forget, he was shot in the head. Twice.

I'm sure resisting arrest TOTALLLY warrants execution. /sarc

[Manoka]

 

And now the National Guard has been called in. Because that always helps.

Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming...

Except in this case that would have been the correct call to call in the National Guard.... 8 days ago. They, unlike the cops who are trying to play soldier, are trained how to disperse riots. National Guard also uses military equipment like armored vehicles unlike normal police. Also being a 3rd party, there would have been more restraint by those who used molotovs because they didn't feel like they were being oppressed by the same cops who shot Brown.

As far as the gunshots go, there is a report by an autopsy specialist from CNN that two of the gunshot wounds that hit Brown were in the arm and hand and were consistant with a man who had his hands raised and was not resisting.

 

And, lest we forget, he was shot in the head. Twice.

I'm sure resisting arrest TOTALLLY warrants execution. /sarc

Well I don't think being shot in the head means anything in particular. 

Edited by Manoka, 18 August 2014 - 10:32 AM.

[Thrash]

LOL, never stray Sharpton.

 

“I have never in all my years seen something as offensive and insulting as a police chief releasing a tape of a young man trying to smear him before we even have his funeral or his burial,” Sharpton said. “First of all, if this is the young man, y’all quit trying to exaggerate. That was shoplifting, not robbery… Robbery, you break in, stick something up. Shoplifting, you take some cigars. It’s wrong if he did it, but call it what it is.”