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[Manoka]

I have figured out how to divide by zero.

 

It's all right here in this pamphlet: http://occamszlazah....ng-by-zero.html

 

 

More or less dividing by zero is zero.

 

But it's explained in dere.

 

 

So what do you think?!

[Redezra]

Yeah he's wrong.

 

Due to complex shit called "limits" 1/inf is equal to 0. Because the limit of x as n approaches infinity for the equation 1/n=x is 0.

 

Dividing by 0 gives you an infinity with no defined complex arguments. Aka: Complex Undefined Infinity. Technically it's infinity. Just wierd. But that hurts high school kid brains. That's why it's called "undefined", and teachers tell you that you can't do it.

 

 

If we really want to get into it, it's because the number line is actually a number plane, where the x axis is -infinty through 0 to +infinity, so the number line, and the other one, the y axis, is specified as i. i is the "imaginary" number, and is the number you get when you take the square root of negative 1. The i line goes from positive i-infinity to negative i-infinity. There are an infinite number of numbers across this number plane, that consist of a real component and an imaginary component. The imaginary component is still very real, it's just an unfortunate name for something that cannot be properly explained in english. Now dividing by zero gets you an infinity. But which one? with the number line, it can only be one of two, -inf or +inf. But with the two dimentional complex number plane, you have an infinite number of infinities to choose from. And which one is it? You have no idea. Mathematicians have been trying to identify which infinity it is for a long, long time. But it's likely it will remain mysterious for many aeons to come.

Edited by Redezra, 20 May 2013 - 10:26 AM.

[The Dark Empire]

Take a calculus class Manoka. Good work Redezra.

[King Biscuit]

1/0 = inf = 2/0
1 =/= 2
Arguement invalid.
Nice try though Manoka.

[The Dark Empire]

Here's something fun

 

Let's let the letter d represent all real numbers. Here is the equation 4d=5d. As d approaches infinity the equation simply becomes infinity = infinity since infinity is not a tangible number and 4 x infinity is still infinity and 5 x infinity is also still just infinity. But in variable form we can divide both sides of the equation by d right? Anything over itself is 1 correct? So by that idea d/d =1. Based on that we come up with 4=5. Since 4= 2+2 we can come up with the expression 2+2=5.

 

Now there is a logical flaw in this argument and I will post what it is in a spoiler.

 

Spoiler

Infinity is not a finite number so it is false to assume that infinity over infinity equals 1. In fact infinity over infinity is undefined. Now it is possible to find the limit when infinity is over infinity using l'hopital's rule. For example if I said find the limit as d approaches infinity of 5d over 4d the limit would be 5/4 but it is important to note that the numerator approaches infinity faster than the denominator so it is flawed logic to assume that infinity over infinty equals 1. This is the basic principle for l'hopital's rule. So 2 +2 does not equal 5.

 

 

Now someone should write the proof for why 0^0 = 1

[PrinceVegeta]

Eww Math. D:

[Manoka]

1/infinity is in fact, not zero.

 

For the same reason that 1/infinity = 2/infinity so thus, 2 must be zero, right? Mathmatically, this does not hold true.

 

 

1/0 is NOT infinity, since it's 0 x infinity will always be zero.

 

Thus infinity times zero is still, zero.

 

 

The one thing you have to remember about summations is that it's an entity of it's own, that rounds to the nearest figure. That's why it's it's own thing.

 

So 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + etc. will be 2 up to infinity. But it's actually will not ever truly reach 2. This is called a limit. The limit of the summation of 1 + 1/2 etc. to infinity is 2, but that's becuase it never actually reaches 2. That's why the solution in calculus is called the limit, it's the number it can't reach. So 1/infinity has a limit of 0, but it is not actually zero itself.

 

 

Consider though that you already divide by zero. Attempt to do this algorithm; 50/10. Simple, it is 5.

 

But, the algorithm shows something very clearly.

 

 

50

10

 

You take 0, divided it by zero. Pluasible. But then you divide 5 by zero! What do we do? Well, the 0 is divided by 1, and the 5 is divided by zero. The answer should be undefined; but it's not, it's 5.

 

This is becuase when you divide that 5 by 0, you get zero. And it doesn't serve as a place holder, etheir; it's literally, nothing. Thus the end equation is not 5, next to a 0, but 5 plus that zero. Thus you get that, 5/0 = 0, and in other situations, we find that when you divide by zero, you get zero. The 5 is eventually divided by that 1, and thus you get 5, since 5/1 is 5. But the place holder of the zero is still, in fact, zero.

Edited by Manoka, 20 May 2013 - 03:47 PM.

[Redezra]

See, your above argument is wrong, because you neglect the existence of not only an infinite number of infinities of a different complex argument, but of different levels of infinity. There are infinities greater than other infinities. This is the realm of the Transfinite numbers, or the Aleph series. The basic infinity, the cardinality (or number of elements) of the set of all integers, is represented as Aleph-0. Aleph is a hebrew letter: א, which is why the regular infinity is represented sometimes as "n". This is why we say "for the n-th time". We're referencing Aleph-0.

 

There are larger infinities, which are greater than Aleph-0, from Aleph-1 to Aleph-infinity (which makes it really odd when you realise there are more than an infinite amount of infinite numbers. It's actually impossible to cap the number of numbers with a limit because the limit is literally limitless), which are all represented by "infinity". So it's totally allowed that 1/0 and 2/0 can both equal infinity, the infinities are just not equal at all.

[The Dark Empire]

It is all about the rate at which the two numbers approach infinity

[Redezra]

Partially. It has more to do with the fact that there are more infinities than you can ever know.

[Manoka]

Infinity + infinity is still infinity.

 

Thus while theoretically there is a bigger infinity, it never goes beyond infinity, and thus it's still going to be a number at the end of the day, instead of zero.

 

 

I can mathmatically prove it in another way, however.

 

1/infinity = 0 = 85/infinity = 0

 

Therefore 1 = 85, but it doesn't.

 

Since it doesn't hold up mathmatically 1/infinity, or any number, cannot in fact be zero, and be mathmatically valid in the inverse operation. Alternativley, we can see that 1/infinity = 0, and then say, multiply by infininty on both sides, so 1 = 0 x infinity, or 1 = 0, which also isn't true. Thus it doesn't seem to be true algerbraically no matter what way you look at it.

Edited by Manoka, 21 May 2013 - 12:22 PM.

[memoryproblems]

Oh my god who gives a fuck.

 

None of this is useful to me.

[Ellis]

Oh my god who gives a fuck.

 

None of this is useful to me.

 

This

 

I know some calculus and higher maths, and I wish I didn't

[The Dark Empire]

Infinity + infinity is still infinity.
 
Thus while theoretically there is a bigger infinity, it never goes beyond infinity, and thus it's still going to be a number at the end of the day, instead of zero.
 
 
I can mathmatically prove it in another way, however.
 
1/infinity = 0 = 85/infinity = 0
 
Therefore 1 = 85, but it doesn't.
 
Since it doesn't hold up mathmatically 1/infinity, or any number, cannot in fact be zero, and be mathmatically valid in the inverse operation. Alternativley, we can see that 1/infinity = 0, and then say, multiply by infininty on both sides, so 1 = 0 x infinity, or 1 = 0, which also isn't true. Thus it doesn't seem to be true algerbraically no matter what way you look at it.

I already explained that in a previous post using lhopitals rule.

[Redezra]

Infinity + infinity is still infinity.

 

Thus while theoretically there is a bigger infinity, it never goes beyond infinity, and thus it's still going to be a number at the end of the day, instead of zero.

 

 

I can mathmatically prove it in another way, however.

 

1/infinity = 0 = 85/infinity = 0

 

Therefore 1 = 85, but it doesn't.

 

Since it doesn't hold up mathmatically 1/infinity, or any number, cannot in fact be zero, and be mathmatically valid in the inverse operation. Alternativley, we can see that 1/infinity = 0, and then say, multiply by infininty on both sides, so 1 = 0 x infinity, or 1 = 0, which also isn't true. Thus it doesn't seem to be true algerbraically no matter what way you look at it.

Yeah but you're wrong, because there are different levels of infinity.

 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Aleph_number

 

Not only that, but due to the complex plane nature of div-by-zero-infinity, no two infinities are ever the same.

 

So in short:

1. You're wrong, you can go over "infinity", or aleph-0, because "infinity" is just a category of infinite numbers.

2. 1/0=complex infinity, 85/0=complex infinity, complex infinity!=complex infinity, therefore, 85!=1.

[PrinceVegeta]

Oh my god who gives a fuck.

 

None of this is useful to me.

 

I third this...

 

In fact that is why I left school early. Too much stressing over shit that had nothing to do with my hopes and dreams..Sucks I couldn't just go to just music classes.

[Redezra]

All of you anti-math people are so boring. Don't you want to know the deep, dark secrets of the universe? So you can exploit them?

[The Dark Empire]

Math is basically doing intense shit that no one else can even fathom and you finally solve the problem and you have a claw hand and a paper filled with sheer awesomeness and you just stand up and say math.

[PrinceVegeta]

All of you anti-math people are so boring. Don't you want to know the deep, dark secrets of the universe? So you can exploit them?

 

No. I want to make music. >:C

[Redezra]

Pff, booooooring~~~

 

However, I'll give music an "OK" stamp. Because creation is what sets us apart from other life on Earth. We and we alone are creators. Very special. Music is a good part of that.

 

I'm just a seeker of Knowledge. I need to know everything, so I'll learn everything. And everything can be explained by math. Everything. May not seem like math can do that to you, or you, or that guy/girl over there, but it does. And at its core, it's simple. I mean what can be more simple than

 

{} + {} = {}{}

 

From this, everything. Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Psychology... Knowledge that was not meant for human consumption. Immense powers and inescapable horrors. All sorts of awesome stuff that will allow you to do things that you won't even imagine now.

 

tl;dr: Learning crazy stuffs like this is imperative to understanding everything, and using that everything.