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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:38 PM

I'm not trying to sound like an over-aggressive asshat, here. I'm not a gratuitous speeder, and I don't think I take undue risks. I always wear my seatbelt, and have been the bane of every child and teenager who has ever ridden with me by refusing to even shift out of neutral before they are wearing theirs. So it's not about trying to be Speed Racer. It's about getting yourself from Point A to Point B in the quickest, most efficient manner possible within the bounds of safety, and creating an environment where others can do the same. Here's what I'm thinking:


1. Don't stop to let people go. I know you think you’re being helpful, but you’re not. You're being a pain in the ass. Why? Two reasons: First, there are probably people BEHIND you, and when you stop to let that one car go you are more than likely inconveniencing a whole bunch of other people. That just makes no sense. Second, the person you’re letting go doesn’t necessarily know that’s what you’re doing. Most of the time when someone slows down to let me in, by the time it’s clear that that’s actually what they’re doing, it would have been quicker if they’d just passed by. The kindest thing you can do for other drivers is just get yourself out of the goddam way.

2. Everyone should strive to watch what's going on more than, say, ten feet in front of them. When someone’s stopped to make a left turn 50 or 100 feet up ahead, there should be more than enough time to pass around them on the left (assuming there’s enough space and it's safe to do so). There’s no excuse for coming to a sudden stop right behind the person as though they just materialized out of nowhere. It’s called paying attention, and not enough people do it.

3. Once you have started to make a turn, you need to follow through. So you slowed down, turned on the blinker (assuming you did so – but that’s another point), began turning the wheel and THEN realized that you don't actually want to go that way? TOUGH. You are now committed to the turn. The people coming up behind you don’t know that you made a mistake, and don’t expect you to lurch abruptly back into the line of traffic. Complete the turn, find somewhere to turn around safely, and go where you meant to go in the first place.

4. The goddam turn signals are there for a reason. USE THEM. Why do so many people guard their intended course changes like a state secret?

5. When the light turns green, it's time to GO. It’s easy to remember, because "go" and "green" both start with the letter G. It's not time to futz with the radio. It's not time to check yourself in the mirror. It's not time to send a text message. It's time to GO. And when the light’s red and everyone's waiting, be prepared for it to change. Most people act like it’s a goddam surprise. "OH MY GOD THE LIGHT IS A DIFFERENT COLOR!!!" It’s going to change -- that's what it does. Even when I’m four or five cars back, when that light changes I’m good to go.

6. Whatever is going on at the side of the road is almost certainly not relevant to you. Whether it's a fender bender or a guy in an IROC-Z pulled over by a cop or road construction or a sale at the unfinished furniture outlet, it's not necessary to slow down for a better look. Once it's clear that it is safe to proceed, then PROCEED. The vast majority of the time there’s nothing going on, there’s probably nothing most passers-by could do even if there was, and the cop isn’t going to suddenly drop what he’s doing to chase down someone for going 37 in a 35 zone. As long as there’s not a body lying in the street blocking the way (or some other rare and extreme situation), the best thing most of us can do is just move along and clear the area.

7. If you are not going to drive FAST, then get out of the FAST lane. Because that's where you go (wait for it) FAST. That’s why they named it the FAST lane. I'm not talking about being unsafe. But as long as conditions permit, traffic in the fast lane should be moving at the maximum posted limit. Hint: if there are people passing you on the left, you’re going too slow.

8. If you're searching for an address or otherwise just dawdling along looking at the foliage or whatever, then you should at least have the courtesy to pull over from time to time to let people who actually have to be places at specific times (like, for example, anyone with a job) to pass. People expect to drive at the speed limit (again, assuming normal conditions), not 10 mph under. And if your vehicle (i.e. a dump truck, tractor trailer, etc.) is too slow and unwieldy to do so, then it should not be on that road.

9. Finally, there is the cell phone issue. Personally, I don’t have any specific beef with people talking on them most of the time, unless it interferes with the safe maintenance of their forward momentum. I do believe that dialing the phone while driving is unwise -- and texting is insane -- but just talking? It seems to me that anyone who can't hold a conversation and operate a motor vehicle at the same time shouldn’t even be allowed to talk to live people sitting next to them in the car, much less on the phone.
There are a lot of good reasons to improve the flow of traffic on our roads. Simple civility and a general reduction of daily stress come to mind. There's also the potential savings in fuel costs that could be realized by reducing or eliminating delays (of course, much greater savings could be realized by driving more fuel-efficient cars, car pooling, and using more public transportation -- but that's another topic entirely!). Government could help -- reducing the proliferation of unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights might be a good place to start (but again, that's a rant unto itself). But I really think a lot of progress could be made if people just made a little effort to drive not just defensively, but responsibly, safely, and efficiently as well.



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Posted 16 May 2010 - 12:14 AM

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 02:44 AM

1. Don't stop to let people go. I know you think you’re being helpful, but you’re not.


That's been a big peeve of mine since I moved out to PA from NJ, because people in NJ NEVER do that. Since I moved out here, people seem to do that all the time. For example, someone in front of you is going to make a left turn onto a side street, but before they make that left, they let the cars come out of the side street and make their left-turns before they bother turning. So, not only did you make me stop for no reason, but now you've let more people in front of me, and hence, more chance of someone driving slow in front me. Also to go along with this is the people who stop to let a cop pull out from a side street in front of them. It's not like that cop is going to remember one day when you're pulled over "Oh, hey, he let me turn out in front of him one time, I'll just give him a warning"

2. Everyone should strive to watch what's going on more than, say, ten feet in front of them.


Everyone should also be aware of what's behind them and on both sides of them. Too many times people just look forward oblivious to everything else around them.

Another bad thing is the people who stay in the left lane on the highway RIGHT until their exit comes up. You KNOW it's coming, you go that way EVERY day, but you still insist on not moving to the offramp until the very last minute, hence stopping the left lane so you can now get over to your exit, then the middle lane, then the right lane, which causes a chain reaction that can immediately back up traffic.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:15 AM

I could maybe countenance letting a police car in -- not because I think it would earn me any favor with the cop, but because I'd rather have him in front of me than behind me.

As far as I am concerned, if you are in the far left lane on the highway then you should be intending to travel a fairly significant distance. What I'd really like to see is the farthest left lane become a "bypass lane" in heavily traveled areas, meaning that you can travel in it only if you are not intending to get off for a while. They do this in California (and enforce it zealously from what I'm told) and it's nice, because it means that the twit in front of you isn't planning to slow down to make a lane change any time soon.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 05:58 PM

1. Don't stop to let people go. I know you think you’re being helpful, but you’re not. You're being a pain in the ass. Why? Two reasons: First, there are probably people BEHIND you, and when you stop to let that one car go you are more than likely inconveniencing a whole bunch of other people. That just makes no sense. Second, the person you’re letting go doesn’t necessarily know that’s what you’re doing. Most of the time when someone slows down to let me in, by the time it’s clear that that’s actually what they’re doing, it would have been quicker if they’d just passed by. The kindest thing you can do for other drivers is just get yourself out of the goddam way.


Down here, this happens all the time. Everybody does it, I do it, it's just kinda what we do I guess. We'll let one or a few people go, they'll wave, then we continue. Now we don't let everybody go - if I'm in a bad mood I won't let anybody out :). But I guess it's different in different parts of the country.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:16 PM

Out here, letting someone go is just common courtesy. Man, sounds like human decency is DEAD everywhere else.
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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:04 PM

Why is it "decent" to make 5, 10 or 15 people behind you slow down or even stop in order for ONE person to go?

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 11:02 PM

As much as I like the blatent Spock quote, from a strictly logical standpoint, in the case of one lane merging into another for instance, the most efficient way to merge would be to evenly distribute traffic along both lanes up to the merge point and then alternate cars. One car from the right lane would go, then the next car would let in one from the left lane, then one from the right etc. Even without an even distribution alternating cars should, ideally, be the most efficient way to go about it.

Now if you're talking about slowing down on a road to just let some random person in, say, from a driveway, then I agree with you completely. That causes all sorts of problems, not to mention potential physical risk in the case of a two lane road. People don't stop to realize that ONE lane slowing down is not usually enough to get the person out and moving safely, and then they seem upset when I don't risk my life to pop into the "opening" they've so benevolently created fro me. :)

Another thing that drives me insane is four-way stops. NOBODY knows the rules, at least in Virginia. Instead it's pretty much a free-for-all in which the only rule is stop before going and don't deliberately t-bone anyone. I swear, my life flashes before my eyes every time I come to one, I've nearly witnessed an accident more times than I can count, and it's a miracle I haven't witnessed one for real. Fortunately they are being systematically replaced with the much safer and more efficient traffic circles (or just stop lights). I get happier every time I see a new traffic circle (or as the Brits like to call them, roundabouts).

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 10:58 AM

I wasn't talking about two lanes merging into one. For whatever reason, we have very little of that in New England. When they do occur they are an epic battle for position -- NO ONE gives up their space. It's like a game of chicken. No, I was talking about people on a road stopping to let people in from either a crossroad or a driveway/parking lot.

4-way stops are a mess no matter where you are, I think. The way I learned it was that the first person there has right of way, but of course this assumes that everyone just silently agrees on who was first. I have also heard the view that the person on the right has right of way, but that's patently asinine, since a 4-way stop is essentially a circle -- there is ALWAYS someone on the right.

Another unique feature that we have in New England are rotaries (also called traffic circles). They are VERY common around here. But no one knows how to use them. People always slow down to let other cars onto the rotary. This is wrong. The rule is that people on the rotary have right of way. That means that oncoming traffic must stop and wait for the traffic on the rotary. I cannot tell you how many times I have almost been hit by some idiot flying onto the rotary without even slowing down, or almost rear-ended some nitwit in front of me stopping to let someone in front of him. I must admit that sometimes there is a part of me that almost wants to let it happen just so that person can find out that their insurance will not cover them because they were in the wrong. (Well, not the rear-ending one -- in Massachusetts if you rear-end someone you are automatically at fault, no questions asked).

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 12:20 PM

Roundabouts are really common out here, too. But during the winter they just turn into drifting circles.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 03:33 PM

Never, ever seen a roundabout here. I thought they were only things they had in Britain. 4-way stops are insane; Nobody seems to agree on who was there first. On Monday I think it was, I was at a 4-way, and I was there about 2 secs. before this other car. I started to go and they just came along, like they rule the road or something.

Earlier this week I saw a car get rear-ended. It was coming out of the school parking lot. This giant pickup (We all know the drivers of those think they are all just so special!) kept inching up behind this tiny blue car at the stop sign. There were cars coming from both directions, so nobody could go, but the pickup kept inching up and I swear was touching her bumper. Finally someone let the blue car out, and as she went forwad she slowed to look to make sure there were no cars coming from the other direction until she pulled all the way out, and the pickup rammed right into her back end.

And the funny part was, I think it was two teachers.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 05:12 PM

Hopefully they weren't driver's ed teachers!

In Massachusetts if you rear-end someone you are automatically at fault. The reasoning is that you should be far enough behind the car ahead of you that you have time to stop under any circumstances.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 10:01 PM

4-way stops are a mess no matter where you are, I think. The way I learned it was that the first person there has right of way, but of course this assumes that everyone just silently agrees on who was first. I have also heard the view that the person on the right has right of way, but that's patently asinine, since a 4-way stop is essentially a circle -- there is ALWAYS someone on the right.


The rule is that the person who gets there first goes first. If more than one person arrives simultaneously , the person on the right goes first. If, at a 4 way stop, 4 people arrive at the intersection simultaneously, the person who takes the initiative gets to go first, and from there it goes back to the "person on the right" rule. Or, at least, that's how I learned it. I've never really had any problems with 4-way stops down here. It's generally pretty obvious to all involved who gets there first, and if it isn't, then someone generally gets waved along. And if people didn't wave others along, nobody would ever get out of my HS parking lot at the end of the day, lol.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:17 AM

In New England only weak-minded fools wave people on. They lose the respect of the other drivers and then the pack turns on them.

Just the other day I was driving on a road where two lanes merge into one. I was in the left lane, and somewhat ahead of the car beside me in the right lane. Obviously I was not about to give up that position. When her lane ceased to exist the other driver maintained her position relative to mine by driving half-in, half-out of a parking lot beside the road, still trying to overtake me. She failed, but I have to respect her warrior spirit.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:37 AM

The not letting people merge thing would entirely stop people from driving to the mall, as they would never be able to drive home.

I think I support it for that reason :)

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 09:26 AM

Shotgun is correct about the four way stop rule. The person "to the right " is the person to the right of the person who went last. So if I go, the person to my right should go next, and so on and so forth. But I swear nobody in the state of virginia knows that but me. :)


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