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Would you support a ban on online porn in your country?

  1. Yes, absolutely. (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Yes, for certain kind of porn which isn't illegal yet. (Specify :P ) (1 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  3. I don't care (1 votes [7.69%] - View)

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  4. I don't support it, but it wouldn't bug me personally (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. I'm against it (10 votes [76.92%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 76.92%

  6. I'd lose my job (Specify :P ) (1 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  7. Porn is already illegal in my country (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 Alyster

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:30 AM

http://www.guardian....ine-pornography

 

Can Iceland lead the way towards a ban on violent online pornography?
The country prides itself on its progressive attitudes, but anti-censorship campaigners say move is a backward step

 

Small, volcanic, with a proud Viking heritage and run by an openly gay prime minister, Iceland is now considering becoming the first democracy in the western world to try to ban online pornography.

A nationwide consultation has found wide support for the move from police and lawyers working in the field of sexual violence, along with health and education professionals, according to Halla Gunnarsdóttir, adviser to the interior minister Ögmundur Jónasson. Ministers are now looking at the results.

"We are a progressive, liberal society when it comes to nudity, to sexual relations, so our approach is not anti-sex but anti-violence. This is about children and gender equality, not about limiting free speech," she said. "Research shows that the average age of children who see online porn is 11 in Iceland and we are concerned about that and about the increasingly violent nature of what they are exposed to. This is concern coming to us from professionals since mainstream porn has become very brutal.

"A strong consensus has been building, with people agreeing that something has to be done. The internet is a part of our society, not separate from it, and should be treated as such. No one is talking about closing down exchange of information. We have a thriving democracy here in our small country and what is under discussion is the welfare of our children and their rights to grow and develop in a non-violent environment.

"There are some who say it can't be done technically – but we want to explore all possibilities and take a political decision on what can be done and how."

Gender equality is highly valued in Iceland and by its prime minister, Jóhanna Sigurdardóttir. In the Global Gender Gap Report 2012, Iceland holds the top spot, closely followed by Finland, Norway and Sweden.

An online ban would complement Iceland's existing law against printing and distributing porn, and follow on from 2010 legislation that closed strip clubs and 2009 prostitution laws that criminalised the customer rather than the sex worker.

Web filters, blocked addresses and making it a crime to use Icelandic credit cards to access pay-per-view pornography, are among the plans being devised by internet and legal experts.

Hildur Fjóla Antonsdóttir, a gender specialist at Iceland University, said: "This initiative is about narrowing the definition of porn so it does not include all sexually explicit material but rather material that can be described as portraying sexual activity in a violent or hateful way.

"The issue of censorship is indeed a concern and it is important to tread carefully when it comes to possible ways of restricting such material. For example, we have a new political party, the Pirate party, that is very concerned about all forms of restrictions on the internet. It is very important not to rush into anything but rather have constructive dialogues and try to find the best solutions. I see the initiative of the interior ministry on this issue as a part of that process. Otherwise we leave it to the porn industry to define our sexuality and why would we want to do that?"

Not all the experts agree with the idea that porn is bad. Studies are often small and it is now impossible to find large numbers of young males who have never watched porn. But one 2009 study conducted by Montreal University found that porn did not change men's perception of women.

Another, however, by Dr Tim Jones, a psychologist at Worcester University, concluded: "The internet is fuelling more extreme fantasies and the danger is that they could be played out in real life."

There is evidence of a massive rise in internet porn addictions and in the type of porn available becoming more hardcore. Women are reporting more relationship problems caused by their partners' porn habits and the number of indecent images involving children is escalating.

Iceland's move has been welcomed by Dr Gail Dines, a professor of sociology at Wheelock College in Boston and the author of Pornland: How Porn has Hijacked Our Sexuality. "Of course internet porn is damaging," she said. "We have years of empirical evidence. It's like global warming – you will always find some global warming deniers out there who can quote some little piece of research they have found somewhere, some science junk, but the consensus is there.

"We are not saying you see porn and go out and rape, but we are saying it shifts the way people think about sexual relationships, about intimacy, about women. A lot of people really don't realise what porn looks like online. If a 12-year-old searches for porn in Google, he doesn't get some Playboy pictures, he gets graphic brutal hardcore images of women being choked with tears running down their faces and of the kind of anal sex that has female porn stars in America suffering from anal prolapses.

"Children are traumatised by what they see. You develop your sexual template around puberty and if you see brutal porn on an industrialised scale then can anyone really suggest that exposure has no effect? Because, if so, then we will have to totally rethink an awful lot of branches of science and psychology."

Pröstur Jónasson of Iceland's Association of Digital Freedom has branded the ministry's proposals as unfeasible, saying that ensuring internet service providers block pornography would require content to go through a filter, meaning that someone will have the role of deciding what is OK and what is not.

But the interior minister and his supporters reject claims that restricting access is censorship, and part of the consultation is establishing a legal definition for the pornographic material to be blocked. "It's a myth that there is no proper definition for what is porn, 70% of European countries do have one in law," said Gunnarsdóttir.

The minister has said that the issue must be debated. "If we cannot discuss a ban on violent pornography, which we all agree has a very harmful effect on young people and can have a clear link to incidences of violent crime, then that is not good," he said.

Other countries will be watching the Icelandic model carefully. There is international concern about the availability and increasingly hardcore nature of internet porn. Many big companies now use web filters that successfully restrict access to some sites by their employees.

In 2007, the British-based Internet Watch Foundation reported that child sexual abuse images on the internet are becoming more brutal and graphic, and the number of images depicting violent abuse had risen fourfold since 2003 to around 20% of all porn content. About 91% appear to be children aged under 12. At present, attempts to track down and prosecute offenders is a difficult task when multiple international servers are used.

Many of those opposing the idea of the web porn ban in Iceland are freedom activists concerned at the idea of any internet censorship. They claim it will lead to the kind of state interference in what people can access seen in countries such as Saudi Arabia, China and Iran.

The chairman of Iceland's International Modern Media Institute is Birgitta Jónsdóttir, an Icelandic MP and former WikiLeaks activist, who claims the ban will stop companies hosting their business in Iceland. She declared a ban to be "unworkable and unfeasible". Another WikiLeaks volunteer, Smári McCarthy, the executive director of the International Modern Media Initiative, has called the bill "fascist" and the interior minister "insane".

But the Icelandic government is serious in tackling the issue and could bring a ban to its statute books within the year. "We are dedicated to gender equality, we are progressive and we are aware that we are more willing to be radical than other governments. But I am sure they will follow our lead," said Gunnarsdóttir.


Edited by al-Yster, 25 February 2013 - 07:36 AM.




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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:36 AM

It looks like they're primarily targeting violent porn, not porn in general. Which is interesting. I lived in Iceland for a year when I was little; they have generally an open, permissive society when it comes to issues about sex and nudity.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:03 AM

Hence the option No.2



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

If imperial sparta doesn't vote that he'd be out of a job ill be sad

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

I love porn. It's great.
Unless, of coarse, if it's of the violent variety.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:20 PM

I love porn. It's great.
Unless, of coarse, if it's of the violent variety.

 

I'm not a fan of odd things either, but I don't see why to ban it? And where do you draw the line? Is a slap on the butt a spanking and thus banned? 

 

Moreover if people get paid for it, know what they do and are ok with it why ban it? And I'm sick of the argument of "think about the children". Parents should do that, get the PC protected and so on. 



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:51 PM

While violent porn disgusts me, I'm more against the censorship of everything that seems to be the desired trend.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

The problem with targeting so-called 'violent pornography' is where to draw a line. It's all too easy to look at pornography featuring violence and say that it's degrading to women or encourages domestic violence, or that, to summarize the article, children see it, and they are easily influenced. That's another issue, though, and I think if Iceland wanted to do something more productive with its time, they'd work on instituting stronger parental control systems to prevent eleven-year-olds from watching porn.

As a practitioner of BDSM, this sort of thing worries me, because it speaks to louder societal attitudes that oppressing sexual minorities is seen as acceptable because there are prevailing social norms that look down on certain activities. Scandinavia has quite a history of arresting consensual practitioners of BDSM: a couple years ago, Sweden had a quite high-profile case after a dominant man was arrested for assault against his consenting girlfriend, with Crown prosecutors alleging that she could not legally consent to being assaulted (thankfully, he was later acquitted, following public backlash).

The idea that you can target a specific sexual grouping because the majority of people find it disturbing or 'immoral' is the same sort of attitude that led to the oppression of gays for centuries, and still does in some parts of the world today. While I realize this is targeting pornography, and not private consensual activity, imagine if some country like Iceland, a country most people would consider, as Haf put it, 'an open, permissive society when it comes to issues about sex and nudity,' decided to ban gay pornography instead? Can you imagine the outcry from LGBT communities and so-called 'straight allies' around the world? It would be deafening. Though of course, with a lesbian prime minister, that's not about to happen in Iceland, so they just had to find some other minority group to scapegoat and blame society's ills on.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:28 AM

I'd also like to note that Iceland is still in the "considering doing this" stage. There's no draft legislation to argue about. When and if they actually come up with something then it's time to criticize and/or applaud their efforts.

 

Iceland is also not in Scandinavia. The country was settled by Scandinavians over a thousand years ago. For most of their history, their relationship with Scandinavia was that of a colony being brutally oppressed by Danish authorities. Calling them part of Scandinavia is like saying that Mexico is in Europe.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:31 AM

They are a member of the Nordic League and are considered a Nordic country, which in this case is my bad for applying the geographic term 'Scandinavia' in place of the cultural term 'Nordic'. Silly English language and its pseudo-synonyms.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:36 AM

Calling them Nordic is fine B) The equivalent there is referring to Mexico as a Hispanic country, which they obviously are.

 

Which Nordic League are you referring to? These are the two I found: http://en.wikipedia....i/Nordic_League and http://en.wikipedia....dic_Golf_League

 

However Finland is also Nordic and also not in Scandinavia. Nordic is a broader term than Scandinavia, which only refers to Denmark, Norway and Sweden, and Icelanders in particular really don't like being lumped in with their, uh, brutal colonial oppressors.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:46 AM

Er, Nordic Council, rather. *sigh*

Yeah, I certainly get the antipathy towards 'Scandinavia', in Iceland especially, to refer to the Nordic countries. Finland of course is also part of Fennoscandia, which tends to further conflate it with Scandinavia in English. All in all, though, the fact that Iceland and Greenland were Danish possessions for so long, and Finland a Swedish possession (and, in fact, part of Sweden proper) for so long during the history of the development of the modern English language seems to be the driving factor behind its inconsistent use to refer to the Nordic countries.

On a related note, if Scotland gains independence in 2014 and gets admitted to the Nordic Council, Estonia's gonna blow a collective gasket.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:09 PM

Let's leave the word fenno out of it. Although sometimes used to refer to Finland, it's mostly referring to finnic languages and ethnical groups. Even some republics from Russian Federation like Komi Republic and Mari Republic. Also including Estonia. It's also commonly used with out the sub division of fenno, but rather as larger group of Fenno-Ugric in which case we also have to consider Hungarian and Hungary. These are the nice languages that love vocals and odd letters like õ ä ö ü and have words like jäääär, Ouninpohja and hauaööõudused.

 

Scandinavia however refers only to Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Culturally Finland (Swedish rule, Cold war era developments) and Iceland (Danish rule) have gotten very close to Scandinavia indeed. So people have coined the term Nordic countries. Before the World War 2, Finland was commonly known as a Baltic state, but they made a successful drift to the Nordic nations. And no they didn't move geographically :P

 

Modern Baltic states have been trying to get in on the "nordic" term as well. Mostly due to Lennart Meri's ideas in 1990s. However the nations share different problems from nordic nations, different ideals and very right sided politics. So while they're trying, it's not very successful. Porns another example of why Baltic nations witll never be nordic. Riga was known as the Bangkok of Europe few years ago for it's prostitution. This would have never happened in Stockholm. 

 

Nordic Council is where few ministers meet from time to time to discuss similar problems. Hopefully my government uses the observer seat to actually learn a thing or two.  While Scotland and Estonia might be added to the council in some far future, they'll never be truly Nordic. 


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

Let's leave the word fenno out of it. Although sometimes used to refer to Finland, it's mostly referring to finnic languages and ethnical groups. Even some republics from Russian Federation like Komi Republic and Mari Republic. Also including Estonia. It's also commonly used with out the sub division of fenno, but rather as larger group of Fenno-Ugric in which case we also have to consider Hungarian and Hungary. These are the nice languages that love vocals and odd letters like õ ä ö ü and have words like jäääär, Ouninpohja and hauaööõudused.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

This is what always comes to mind when I think of Finland.

 

http://www.starwreck.com/



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

Also 

 

 

12 months :)



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

I would rather see regulation of the production of these materials to ensure that no one involved is being mistreated or forced to act against their will.  Then you wouldn't have to ban them.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

This is what always comes to mind when I think of Finland.
 
http://www.starwreck.com/


Funny, I think of...



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:46 AM

Well, to be fair, I think of Nokia too. Finland, the land of weird comedy and cellphones.



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

I think of the Monty Python Finland song:

 



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