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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:20 PM

http://www.washingto...s-jail-unregis/



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:26 PM

Okay this is fucking bullshit.

 

I'm sorry having a 12 guage which you could find lying around on the street is not a crime.

 

 

Registered ammunition?

 

That's fucking insane; ammunition has never been registered.

 

 

Shotgun shells are plastic for God's sake, you might not know what it is.

 

And empty shells that you could pick up lying around; what is this crap?


Edited by Manoka, 23 October 2013 - 06:26 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:33 PM

Okay this is fucking bullshit.

 

I'm sorry having a 12 guage which you could find lying around on the street is not a crime.

 

 

Registered ammunition?

 

That's fucking insane; ammunition has never been registered.

 

 

Shotgun shells are plastic for God's sake, you might not know what it is.

 

And empty shells that you could pick up lying around; what is this crap?

 

iConcur.

It even says he stores his gun outside of DC, well within the law.

 

A SINGLE 12 GAUGE SHELL is a great reason to go to jail for 2 years.

Because, you know, his GUN IS IN ARLINGTON AND HE CANNOT FIRE SAID ROUNDIN A CRIME OF PASSION.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:41 PM

This is one of many reasons why I refuse to live in the District.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:23 PM

Unless there is something else for which they really want him (say, for example, they had strong reason to believe he was a murderer but couldn't prove it), he's in no danger.  He's a rich white guy; he's not going to jail for something so minor.
 
The Washington Times is a right-wing rag founded by the Moonies.  It's not exactly a reliable source of news.  :)



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:22 PM

Unless there is something else for which they really want him (say, for example, they had strong reason to believe he was a murderer but couldn't prove it), he's in no danger.  He's a rich white guy; he's not going to jail for something so minor.
 
The Washington Times is a right-wing rag founded by the Moonies.  It's not exactly a reliable source of news.  :)

I don't think being rich and white abstains you from being arrested.


Edited by Manoka, 23 October 2013 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:48 PM

Unless there is something else for which they really want him (say, for example, they had strong reason to believe he was a murderer but couldn't prove it), he's in no danger.  He's a rich white guy; he's not going to jail for something so minor.
 
The Washington Times is a right-wing rag founded by the Moonies.  It's not exactly a reliable source of news.  :)

 

what about your sites seem a bit unreliable too.



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:04 PM

I still don't understand how they got a warrant in the first place.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:34 AM

Unless there is something else for which they really want him (say, for example, they had strong reason to believe he was a murderer but couldn't prove it), he's in no danger.  He's a rich white guy; he's not going to jail for something so minor.
 
The Washington Times is a right-wing rag founded by the Moonies.  It's not exactly a reliable source of news.  :)

 

what about your sites seem a bit unreliable too.

 

Show me what site(s) you're talking about.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:48 AM

Whatever happened to news without bias?

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:07 AM

There are plenty of good, unbiased sources for news:

 

Reuters

 

PBS NewsHour

 

BBC News

 

C-Span

 

The Independent

 

UPI

 

AlterNet

 

The Real News

 

Wikinews



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:09 AM

First, this news source is heavily right leaning. For example:

The firearms laws in places such as the District of Columbia, Chicago, New York, Connecticut and New Jersey do nothing to reduce violence, but merely infringe on the Second Amendment rights of the law-abiding.

Random, biased statement in the middle of a news article with no sources, studies, or links to back it up. This is the equivalent to NBC stating during their nightly broadcast that Obama is the best president ever, like it's common knowledge. And then just going on to something else.
 
Not that this affects what is said in the article, just that you should take everything in it with a grain of salt.
 
Second, for those interested, Witaschek has quite a civil history. For a financial and wealth planner, he seems terrible at his job, given that he had a number of collection actions brought against him (including one by his estranged wife). He then ended up declaring bankruptcy 3 months ago (this is still ongoing).
 
Third, regarding the main issue here: The Supreme Court prevented a flat ban on certain weapons with their recent 2nd Amendment cases (specifically, Heller). The statute was modified in light of this to:

Spoiler

 

So now, you can have certain firearms, and ammunition. However, the ammunition you possess MUST fit a weapon you own. So here, owning ammunition without owning a compatible firearm is illegal under DC law. That is what this is about.

 

This hasn't been challenged under Federal law yet, which is interesting as NYC, Chicago, Illinois, and Massachusetts have basically the same law. So if this law is struck down in this case by SCOTUS, it should theoretically eliminate the other laws. But that's a few years away at least :P

 

As for Witaschek, he has retained counsel, was arraigned, and entered a plea of not guilty on August 1st. A jury trial has been scheduled for November 4th.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:58 PM

Okay this is fucking bullshit.

 

I'm sorry having a 12 guage which you could find lying around on the street is not a crime.

 

 

Registered ammunition?

 

That's fucking insane; ammunition has never been registered.

 

 

Shotgun shells are plastic for God's sake, you might not know what it is.

 

And empty shells that you could pick up lying around; what is this crap?

 

So what about:

 

"After about an hour and a half, the police found one box of Winchester .40 caliber ammunition, one gun-cleaning kit (fully legal) and a Civil War-era Colt antique revolver that Mr. Witaschek kept on his office desk. The police seized the Colt even though antique firearms are legal and do not have to be registered."

 

I presume the whole situation is due to the fact he isn't registered to own a firearm in that state so isn't allowed to have ammunition there either?



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:08 PM

Good lord this can not be real. I expect we arent getting the full story but none the less there are some serious problems with the case here.

 

The law in and of itself is ridiculous. What the fuck is people's problem with 2nd amendment rights? Especially in ones own house. I understand people being against things like carrying(though I think people should be allowed to carry, especially open carry). I see these bull shit laws along the same lines as banning 32oz sodas and that non sense.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:16 PM

Also, based on the descriptions given (though again i feel like there is more to this) literally none of the bullets found on the latest raid were fire-able. Muzzleloader bullets need a charge (or 3 ;) ) a spent casing is a piece of brass and misfired shells usually ruin the primer or the primer is defective. Antique guns are legal and it sounds like his was a display piece. And a box of .40 cal ammo is hardly a threat without a gun(and was during the 1st WARRANT LESS search.

 

So why did they raid his home the first time? Is it really as easy having an estranged, probably jealous and angry, ex wife ask for a search? Did she have any credible evidence to support her claim?


Edited by King Hobbs, 24 October 2013 - 03:16 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:53 PM

Okay this is fucking bullshit.

 

I'm sorry having a 12 guage which you could find lying around on the street is not a crime.

 

 

Registered ammunition?

 

That's fucking insane; ammunition has never been registered.

 

 

Shotgun shells are plastic for God's sake, you might not know what it is.

 

And empty shells that you could pick up lying around; what is this crap?

 

So what about:

 

"After about an hour and a half, the police found one box of Winchester .40 caliber ammunition, one gun-cleaning kit (fully legal) and a Civil War-era Colt antique revolver that Mr. Witaschek kept on his office desk. The police seized the Colt even though antique firearms are legal and do not have to be registered."

 

I presume the whole situation is due to the fact he isn't registered to own a firearm in that state so isn't allowed to have ammunition there either?

But that was in his work, some ways away.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:52 PM

No guns, or ammo, for you. Bad, bad immature citizens. Think of all the bad things you could do! The Second amendment is clearly waaaaaaaaaaay out of date~

tsk tsk.

 

 

Anyway, the point: This news site is derm. Use moar Reuters.

Also, guns are bad. And the second amendment does not make them good. It's like saying "Tobacco is legal, so it can't be bad for you"

No, no, it is bad for you. Extremely bad for you. Legality does not mean it's a thing to do. Especially when it's evidentially proven that you're not prepared for the responsibility as a society.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:43 PM

Can you spot the Australians?

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:58 PM

Fingers can kill people :3



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:37 AM

An Australian with nothing but his finger is probably still more dangerous than most armed soldiers from other countries.



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