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Posted 04 June 2014 - 07:42 AM

In the early days of the Soviet Union apartment buildings had communal kitchens so that no one could have private conversations about politics and people could spy on one another.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 10:24 AM

Left over from cutting over 75% of their forces. 

 

Obviously, when you disband large sections of your military you're probably going to keep your more elite units, since you'd probably prioritize, so the efficiency man per man is going to improve (such as if we cut out 90% of our forces but kept all the special forces). That being said, it's still not that high. 

 

 

Would Russians suicide themselves in mass waves to defend territory in the Ukraine?

 

I don't imagine so. But, even if they did, they still are sorely lacking in their previous organization and even in total weapons, many of which they have been selling off, meaning it would just be a disorganized mob with guns at best even if they did. So it wouldn't even be as effective as the soviet army. Going around and flanking the enemy, going around and providing covering fire, advancing, following specific orders since you aren't personally aware of the bigger picture, but being able to piece it out and make decisions accordingly anyways, takes quite a while in training. It takes discipline to live as a soldier, to be able to use secure communication systems to transmit information. Anything that can be transmitted to a mob can be intercepted; sleeping out in the open territory, without any toilets, any way to brush your teeth, even basic equipment or the knowledge of how to use it, being ready to go 24/7 in case of a fight, keeping morale; soldiers live disciplined lives to teach them to live that way in combat. If you don't your "army" will just fall apart. 

 

 

By the time they could rally people with guns to defend the New Soviet empire we'd probably have done most of the damage, and they probably wouldn't be any good. 

 

Russia is still much smaller than the entire soviet union so, there's still a smaller pool of people to gather from even still. 

 

 

Their spetsnaz are formidable, but other than that, we've been battling Russian tanks, guns, aircraft for the last 40 years in Vietnam, Iraq, South America, the Baltic states, pretty much everywhere. 

 

All of their upgrades have been post poned or scrapped, with what few newer weapons or advanced technology going to select units in Spetsnaz, who are in general still not employed properly. In any case, these infantry aren't bullet proof. In open combat, without proper strategies, they more or less will lose. 


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:01 PM

:o

 

Name a single battle where Western (non nazi) technology has battled the Russians in Baltics since 1920. 


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:20 PM

I think he meant "Balkan states."



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:53 PM

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Name a single battle where Western (non nazi) technology has battled the Russians in Baltics since 1920. 

Well there's Kosovo, then there's some other wars over there, a lot of little civil war like conflicts.

 

Bosnia, idk. 



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:54 PM

I think he meant "Balkan states."

The two terms are used interchangeably, generally. 

 

It's called the baltic sea and baltic people, though. 


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:05 PM

No, they are not "interchangeable."  The terms refer to two separate and distinct regions.  These are the Baltic states:
 
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These are the Balkan states:
 
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They are separated by nearly 1000 miles.

 

FYI, Australia and Austria are not the same place, either.  Just because names start with the same letters does not make them "interchangeable."



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:58 PM

Jorost you got it wrong. Here's the map.

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 03:14 PM

In the early days of the Soviet Union apartment buildings had communal kitchens so that no one could have private conversations about politics and people could spy on one another.

 

It was a comfty result for the state, but wasn't planned for that. Apartment buildings for industry workers had long been built so since Russian Empire. Some such apartments are still in use btw. 



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 04:53 PM

It was a comfty result for the state, but wasn't planned for that. Apartment buildings for industry workers had long been built so since Russian Empire. Some such apartments are still in use btw. 

 

According to the historian they had on NPR the other day it was done on purpose.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 05:45 PM

:o

 

Name a single battle where Western (non nazi) technology has battled the Russians in Baltics since 1920. 

 

The Ace Combat games, duh. 

 

The two terms are used interchangeably, generally. 

 

It's called the baltic sea and baltic people, though. 

 

Baltic != Balkan, brah. They're completely different groups of people in completely different parts of Europe. Balkan typically refers to the former Yugoslavia, Baltic states are Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia, annexed/invaded by the Soviet Union at the start of WWII as part of the Molotov/Ribbentrop Agreement. The Balkans were never part of the USSR, the Baltic states broke away very early in the downfall (see: The Baltic Way/Hands Across the Baltic). 



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 06:12 PM

Jorost you got it wrong. Here's the map.

 

map-of-the-world-according-to-americans.

 

That about sums it up for me.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 06:14 PM

FYI, Australia and Austria are not the same place, either.  Just because names start with the same letters does not make them "interchangeable."

Pretty sure it does. 



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 06:15 PM

Jorost you got it wrong. Here's the map.

 

map-of-the-world-according-to-americans.

Regardless of this being true, Russia is still being pretty evil right now. 



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 07:18 PM

http://www.mzv.cz/wa..._the_czech.html



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 04:21 AM

Pretty sure it does. 

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 05:31 AM

In the early days of the Soviet Union apartment buildings had communal kitchens so that no one could have private conversations about politics and people could spy on one another.

While the basic facts here are true; apartment buildings did have communal kitchens, and people can spy on each other in them, I think you're being a touch paranoid. In the early days of the Soviet Union there weren't a lot of resources available, and communal kitchens are cheaper to build.



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 05:33 AM

Dafuq?



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 06:31 AM

While the basic facts here are true; apartment buildings did have communal kitchens, and people can spy on each other in them, I think you're being a touch paranoid. In the early days of the Soviet Union there weren't a lot of resources available, and communal kitchens are cheaper to build.

 

Again, the historian talking about it on the radio the other day disagrees.  Feel free to take it up with NPR.



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 06:49 AM

Again, the historian talking about it on the radio the other day disagrees.  Feel free to take it up with NPR.

 

I would if he'd actually offer any source/name/whatever. 

 

If the "historian said somewhere" is enough and looking at my uni degree, here goes

1) Jorost was trained by KGB as a special project to undermind the family values in good old US of A.

2) USSR fell apart because they allowed McDonalds to be built into Moscow

3) USA started the Korean War by attacking North Korea (not said by me, but a nation full of historians)

 

Shall we continue? 




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