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[Manoka]

The basis for logic is that it's a perfect equation for coming up with correct answers- we ask the question, is something blue? If yes, then it's blue; that's a relativley simple logical anomaly , but something more complex such as "Is something warm" when the value of "warm" is =>500 degrees we can determine whether or not something fits that state.

But with logic, there are holes. Paradoxes, for instance, are unable to be resolved yet are created within logical constraints. Everything I say is a lie. I'm standing on top of myself. What happens when an immovable objects comes in contact with an unstoppable force etc.

The concept of logic is to explain how thing works; they simply say, that it is illogical. Yet what happens when the universe possess "illogical" things within it?


If is illogical does that mean there are ways to defy logic and reason, abstract concepts it cannot grasp? Some form of outside reasoning capable of a grander scale of understanding than even logic can deduce since logic would need to be interpreted by said source, us, to be examined in the first place?!

If so that the inherent supposed perfectness of logic is imperfect; ergo, logically, logic is not inherently logical. Therefore, Logic, itself, is a paradox.


DID I KNOW BLOW YOUR MINDS?!

I wish I could blow my mind. D:

Edited by Manoka, 15 October 2012 - 05:06 PM.

[Chancellor Gunn]

I've got something you could blow

[Manoka]

I already told you, I blow my mind every night.

[Jon32492]

The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

Fuck you logic!

[Manoka]

The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

Fuck you logic!

YEAH!

It cannot aptly explain what we can observe in the universe, hence logic is illogical!

[Chancellor Gunn]

The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

Fuck you logic!

YEAH!

It cannot aptly explain what we can observe in the universe, hence logic is illogical!

How old are you again? :3

[Manoka]

The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

Fuck you logic!

YEAH!

It cannot aptly explain what we can observe in the universe, hence logic is illogical!

How old are you again? :3

As a matter of fact, I am.

[Redezra]

You're being stupid, and weighing the merits of a system from within the system.

Using logic to appreciate logic. How ridiculous.

[The Dark Empire]

Using logic has merits and that's logical. Making up anomalies that are illogical is illogical. You don't need reason when the truth is before you. Do you not see the truth? It is hidden from you because you chose nit to see. You chose not to see because you have flies in your eyes. You see flies and not whats in front of you. Therefore you question what you see is real.

And grammar police are placing you under arrest for improper use of now and know

[PrinceVegeta]

Using logic has merits and that's logical. Making up anomalies that are illogical is illogical. You don't need reason when the truth is before you. Do you not see the truth? It is hidden from you because you chose nit to see. You chose not to see because you have flies in your eyes. You see flies and not whats in front of you. Therefore you question what you see is real.

And grammar police are placing you under arrest for improper use of now and know

Not*
What's*
There should be an "if" between question and what, in your last sentence.
You forgot the period after know.

/me puts handcuffs on TDE.

You have the right to refrain from typing. Anything you type can and will be held against you in an English Class.

[Jon32492]

Using logic has merits and that's logical. Making up anomalies that are illogical is illogical. You don't need reason when the truth is before you. Do you not see the truth? It is hidden from you because you chose nit to see. You chose not to see because you have flies in your eyes. You see flies and not whats in front of you. Therefore you question what you see is real.

And grammar police are placing you under arrest for improper use of now and know

Not*
What's*
There should be an "if" between question and what, in your last sentence.
You forgot the period after know.

/me puts handcuffs on TDE.

You have the right to refrain from typing. Anything you type can and will be held against you in an English Class.

pwned.

[Redezra]

Zing~

[The Dark Empire]

Two were phone errors and the of thing is questionable

Edited by The Dark Empire, 15 October 2012 - 07:05 PM.

[Jon32492]

Still errors, nonetheless. And PV was right, there should be an if.

[The Dark Empire]

Two were phone errors and the of thing is questionable

[Manoka]

Exactly.

Therefore the only logical conclusion is that logic is illogical.


Hence logic cannot explain paradoxes, and is a paradox in and of itself.

*head esplodes*

Edited by Manoka, 15 October 2012 - 08:01 PM.

[The Dark Empire]

But paradoxes can be explained by logic that's why we know they exist. We use logic to realize a paradox exists. Without logic no one would recognize a paradox because a paradox is the absence of logic and if logic does not exist can a paradox exist?

[Manoka]

But paradoxes can be explained by logic that's why we know they exist. We use logic to realize a paradox exists. Without logic no one would recognize a paradox because a paradox is the absence of logic and if logic does not exist can a paradox exist?

No, it's a system that exists outside logic, a form of reasoning that transcends it's capabilities.

That's the irony here.


The question is, can a paradox exist if logic is the fundamental code for everything?

Obviously, paradoxes do exist and they are "illogical", that is they defy logic, so obviously since paradoxes exist outside of the frame of what logic can deduce logic is not the end all be all of everything, but some outside form of reasoning that we have yet to give a name or rationalize.


Think of it this way, the most logical thing of all would be for nothing to exist- especially if you subscribe to occam's razor- which suggests that clearly, the most logical thing does not always happen, so while logic tells what should happen, in a sense, it does not always tell what does.

That's why I use Occam'z lazah, to blast holes in logic!

Edited by Manoka, 15 October 2012 - 08:28 PM.

[The Dark Empire]

But if logic states that a paradox exists outside of logic then shouldn't logic exists so a paradox can exist?

[Manoka]

But if logic states that a paradox exists outside of logic then shouldn't logic exists so a paradox can exist?

Logic itself, is therefore a paradox.