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Posted 11 April 2017 - 08:29 AM

How come everyone knows its Sarin gas when tests haven't yet been conducted by anyone let alone it being from an independently accredited lab.

Sarin is colourless and odourless, but yet eye witnesses of the explosion report a yellow smoke which is the sign of Chlorine gas.

Now if I can make with limited knowledge of chemicals, something very close to chlorine gas from a couple of kitchen cleaning products. Then surely many rebels and "moderate" islamists fighting Assad can too and a lot better.

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 08:34 AM

Glad your back, rebel. Need ya on this one.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 09:57 AM

It is accepted fact that ISIS and affiliates have on numerous occasions used chemical weapons (Chlorine/Mustard) against the Kurds in Syria and Iraq.

A weakened Assad does benefit ISIS and ISIS have shown time and time again it doesn't care about killing civilians in the most brutal of ways.

Also didn't anyone find it strange that first responders in white helmets (as shown in numerous photos) were unaffected by this apparent Sarin attack where they weren't wearing the right protective gear.

Glad your back, rebel. Need ya on this one.


I thought I'd check back, with news like this someone was bound to make a topic here.

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:56 PM

Apparently the daughter/wife persuaded the drumph to bomb Syria



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 11:10 PM

Apparently the daughter/wife persuaded the drumph to bomb Syria

 

At her husband's bidding.



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:52 AM

Apparently the daughter/wife persuaded the drumph to bomb Syria

 

At her husband's bidding.

http://www.telegraph...-against-assad/



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 03:10 AM

The discussion is way too much focused on minor or side considerations, of little relevance, like what obscure politician could have played a role in the past, or who's wife might have determined the decision of US missile attack, or what if there's another (however fantastic) explanation for the Syrian chemical attack... All this is largely nonsense, in my view. How about questions like: is there a US strategy in place for the Middle East? What kind of game are the Russians playing and what do they hope to achieve?
That's why, I hope the following link can compensate (for whoever is interested in the topic, rather than his own idiosyncracies) for the lack of substance so far.

https://geopolitical...s-syria-russia/

This is how the article ends:
" The idea of 'America first' is seductive. The idea of destroying IS, and with it the jihadist movement, is seductive. The idea of alliances with other powers willing to fight – at this point, Russia – is seductive. But presidents rapidly discover that being seduced is a way of being destroyed, and they do what they can. They declare a bold intent based on a very limited force, and kick the can down the road."

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 07:19 AM

As for it confirmed to being Sarin, other than the obvious such as the symptoms, the tox reports from the victims and the fact that there are no credible reports of Chlorine being used (gases can be given colorants, as well)...

 

It was confirmed that Sarin was used based on chemical reports, from the ground. As sarin leaves behind a unique signature that cannot be found in nature or that comes from virtually any other chemical, it's more or less the only option that Sarin was used. Other than the obvious, it was obvious. 

 

 

http://www.reuters.c...s-idUSKBN17F0TP

 

http://www.independe...s-a7680556.html


Edited by Manoka, 13 April 2017 - 07:21 AM.


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 10:14 AM

looks like we bombed an ISIS/CIA chem weapon factory and killed many civilians in the process.

 

pretty ironic considering that ISIS/CIA was the one who gassed the people to make us go and bomb Syria



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 03:49 PM

looks like we bombed an ISIS/CIA chem weapon factory and killed many civilians in the process.

 

pretty ironic considering that ISIS/CIA was the one who gassed the people to make us go and bomb Syria

According to Assad, who isn't the most reliable source of information.

 

It's also funny when we bomb ISIS and you still think we're secretly allied.



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 01:31 AM

Good old the enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if I look like a complete conspiracy tard in the progress.

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 06:55 AM

As for it confirmed to being Sarin, other than the obvious such as the symptoms, the tox reports from the victims and the fact that there are no credible reports of Chlorine being used (gases can be given colorants, as well)...

Eye witness statements on yellow smoke which is the tell tale sign of chlorine gas.

Where are all the dead first responders using inadequate safety equipment for the supposed type of attack which kills people within 10mins, as a person’s clothing can release sarin for about 30 minutes after it has come in contact with sarin gas, which can lead to exposure of other people.

It was confirmed that Sarin was used based on chemical reports, from the ground. As sarin leaves behind a unique signature that cannot be found in nature or that comes from virtually any other chemical, it's more or less the only option that Sarin was used. Other than the obvious, it was obvious.

Manoka talking rubbish again like normal, say it isn't true?

Below is taken from his own links:

"UK scientists have analysed samples taken from Khan Sheikhoun. These have tested positive for the nerve agent sarin, or a sarin-like substance," the delegation said during a special session on Syria at the OPCW in The Hague.

How's its obvious Sarin was used when the tests weren't conclusive by their own words?

A similar example to their conclusion is: this is chocolate or a chocolate like substance, so what is it chocolate or not?

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 01:10 PM

As for it confirmed to being Sarin, other than the obvious such as the symptoms, the tox reports from the victims and the fact that there are no credible reports of Chlorine being used (gases can be given colorants, as well)...

Eye witness statements on yellow smoke which is the tell tale sign of chlorine gas.

Where are all the dead first responders using inadequate safety equipment for the supposed type of attack which kills people within 10mins, as a person’s clothing can release sarin for about 30 minutes after it has come in contact with sarin gas, which can lead to exposure of other people.

>>>It was confirmed that Sarin was used based on chemical reports, from the ground. As sarin leaves behind a unique signature that cannot be found in nature or that comes from virtually any other chemical, it's more or less the only option that Sarin was used. Other than the obvious, it was obvious.

Manoka talking rubbish again like normal, say it isn't true?

Below is taken from his own links:

"UK scientists have analysed samples taken from Khan Sheikhoun. These have tested positive for the nerve agent sarin, or a sarin-like substance," the delegation said during a special session on Syria at the OPCW in The Hague.

How's its obvious Sarin was used when the tests weren't conclusive by their own words?

A similar example to their conclusion is: this is chocolate or a chocolate like substance, so what is it chocolate or not?

 

First of all, many first responders did die at the attack, many of them immediately, and many more fell ill after treating the victims later on. They made up a large bulk of the casualties, in fact. [1][2]

 

Second of all, Sarin can give off of a yellow color as well, given the stabilizer which is often used to make it last longer since it degrades rapidly, and it's not too hard to add coloring to any sort of gas. 

 

 

Third of all, Chlorine and Sarin provide a signature that is nothing alike. Chlorine is literally the element Chlorine, which means you find chlorine at the sight, and Sarin leaves behind phosphates which are a byproduct of it breaking down. As for it being a "sarin-like" substance, it would literally have to be a type of Sarin, given that Sarin is the only chemical that leaves the residue behind. There is nothing else in nature or manufacturing that leaves behind the same signature, so if it's not Sarin, it's identical to it in every way. Saying "sarin-like substance" is just covering their bases given you can never 100% confirm anything, but that it's most likely the case. 

 

To debate the use of words that are just perfunctory and use that as your argument is asinine. Just like how when they say "we can never be sure, but..." after the theories in gravity or other things, that's the case here. Toxicology of the victims also showed the signature of sarin. 

 

 

Fourthly, it's one huge coincidence to think that the terrorists would have just so happened to set off a chlorine bomb, mid-air, at the exact spot, at the precise time a bomb was dropped by the Syrian air force. One hell of a coincidence, don't you think?


Edited by Manoka, 14 April 2017 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2017 - 04:01 AM

As I see it, this discussion is not about who did what and who's to blame. It's about something else, that I can't quite put my finger on, but obviously has to do with deep unsolved issues of the American psyche.

To me, taking the possibility, that the U.S. Gov. did something utterly criminal and is now claiming an interpretation of the facts that's 180° in opposition to the truth, seriously, is close to pathology. Which is exactly what the radical left ideology is: a pathology of evil in disguise. And the reason I'm talking is because I've seen that at work in its full manifestation, while you guys are still just "smelling" it approaching and trying to take over....

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 06:18 AM

First time I've ever been called radical left.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 04:09 PM

The collection of samples from the site that supposedly contained Sarin:

https://youtu.be/IyFAl2gjZJQ

There is a previous video where caged birds were put near the crater and soon ended up dead. As proof of the toxicity around it, but people in the video above with no protection or the wrong protection getting up close and personal in the crater are unaffected...

Suppose we're going to have to wait for France's undeniable proof that Syria used chemical weapons in the attack in the coming days.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:55 PM

First time I've ever been called radical left.


I thought the right wing ideology had to do with something like national pride, while the radical left maintained as a favorite theme the idea that if something bad just happened somewhere on Earth, like a war crime or something, surely the Americans are to blame. But yeah, maybe I was wrong the whole time. :D

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:08 AM

Oh, I have pride for sure, but none for government.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 05:19 AM

The collection of samples from the site that supposedly contained Sarin:

https://youtu.be/IyFAl2gjZJQ

There is a previous video where caged birds were put near the crater and soon ended up dead. As proof of the toxicity around it, but people in the video above with no protection or the wrong protection getting up close and personal in the crater are unaffected...

Suppose we're going to have to wait for France's undeniable proof that Syria used chemical weapons in the attack in the coming days.

Brief exposure won't kill you, especially many days after an attack. It won't stay lethal forever. Furthermore, many of these people have gotten sick or even died, as I previously indicated. 



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 01:41 PM

Samples weren't taken many days after the attack and the rest has already been covered.

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