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#1 BlackOut227

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Posted 17 October 2016 - 11:11 AM

Hey guys, working on an assignment and I need to conduct an informal poll. I'm a bit short on time, but if you could, rank these drugs (not a complete list obviously) in what you think to be the most harmful to least harmful (or vice versa, just note which direction you're going). Feel free to discuss!

 

  

  1. Heroine
  2. Cocaine
  3. Caffeine
  4. alcohol
  5. oxycodone
  6. Bath Salts
  7. Inhalants (glue, whipped cream dispensers, etc.)
  8. Peyote
  9. tobacco
  10. Antidepressants
  11. Marijuana
  12. PCP
  13. Vicodin
  14. Benzodiazepines (roofies, etc).
  15. Codeine
  16. Steroids and other performance enhancing drugs
  17. Ecstasy
  18. Morphine
  19. LSD
  20. Barbiturates
  21. Psilocybin (AKA magic mushrooms, shrooms, etc)
  22. Aphrodisiacs (viagra, cialis, etc)




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Posted 17 October 2016 - 12:49 PM

Gah! That's a long list, Blackout. Choosing between 22 and 21, for example, is not going to be easy. It might be better with a shorter one.

 

You also need to be clearer about what you mean by "harmful." Several of the drugs on your list could potentially be harmful if misused, but could also be useful or even life-saving under the right circumstances.

 

The one that causes the most harm to the most people is probably alcohol. I'll go through the rest later (I'm at work now) and try to give it a better ranking.



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Posted 17 October 2016 - 01:45 PM

My uneducated opinion (uneducated in many ways, but it gets worse when my critia when I tried putting this together was a single dose usage. No idea what a single 'dose' is honestly, nor what the real affects or poetencies of any of these are.




Caffeine
Alcohol
Tobacco

Marijuana
Antidepressants

Aphrodisiacs
Benzodiazepines
Vicodin
oxycodone
Barbiturates
Ketamine
Codeine
Morphine
Steroids

Inhalants

Bath Salts
PCP

Psilocybin

LSD
Ecstasy
Heroine
Cocaine

Literally what tier (don't know what these are/no idea. Had to google. Not included in list above): GHB, Peyote

Note: I should perhaps star the drugs (I believe?) can possibily kill in a single dosage ("no matter if it's your first time") as I learned in 'Just Say No™", but I didn't think to do that/meh. Basically anything after Inhalants to my knowledge can possibly kill the first go. Psilocybin if I actually know what it is (mushrooms?) maybe not so much. But I also factored brain chemistry fuckery in with everything.

Also, I should note, Jorost, who I actually trust on this, basically said Barbiturates and LSD were the same. I didn't google what Barbiturates were, I just vaguely knew the term honestly. So it got put lower on my list because it's less scary since I know less about it. That's the large extent of my list making ability.

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Posted 17 October 2016 - 02:43 PM

My uneducated opinion (uneducated in many ways, but it gets worse when my critia when I tried putting this together was a single dose usage. No idea what a single 'dose' is honestly, nor what the real affects or poetencies of any of these are.




Caffeine
Alcohol
Tobacco

Marijuana
Antidepressants

Aphrodisiacs
Benzodiazepines
Vicodin
oxycodone
Barbiturates
Ketamine
Codeine
Morphine
Steroids

Inhalants

Bath Salts
PCP

Psilocybin

LSD
Ecstasy
Heroine
Cocaine

Literally what tier (don't know what these are/no idea. Had to google. Not included in list above): GHB, Peyote

Note: I should perhaps star the drugs (I believe?) can possibily kill in a single dosage ("no matter if it's your first time") as I learned in 'Just Say No™", but I didn't think to do that/meh. Basically anything after Inhalants to my knowledge can possibly kill the first go. Psilocybin if I actually know what it is (mushrooms?) maybe not so much. But I also factored brain chemistry fuckery in with everything.

Also, I should note, Jorost, who I actually trust on this, basically said Barbiturates and LSD were the same. I didn't google what Barbiturates were, I just vaguely knew the term honestly. So it got put lower on my list because it's less scary since I know less about it. That's the large extent of my list making ability.

 

It's alright if you don't know what everything is. Actually, that's the whole point of the assignment. I did my research on these drugs and made my own list. Now I'm to see what other people know based on their own knowledge gained from peers, media, usage, etc. 

 

Also, barbiturates and LSD are not the same. One is a depressant (like alcohol) the other is a hallucinogenic/psychedelic.

 

I did however, remove some drugs that were essentially the of the same effects as another from the list (GHB and ketamine).



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Posted 17 October 2016 - 06:48 PM

You need a clearer definition of "harmful", that's too broad of a term.



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Posted 18 October 2016 - 04:53 AM

Worst to best by addiction potential and health effects.

 

  1. Heroin
  2. Methamphetamine
  3. PCP
  4. Barbiturates
  5. Bath Salts
  6. Cocaine
  7. Morphine
  8. Benzodiazepines (roofies, etc). [no addiction, but severe harm potential]
  9. oxycodone
  10. Vicodin
  11. tobacco
  12. Inhalants (glue, whipped cream dispensers, etc.)
  13. Codeine
  14. alcohol
  15.  
  16.  
  17. [from here down I am not aware of addiction potential]
  18.  
  19.  
  20. Marijuana [if smoked, much lower if edibles]
  21. Steroids and other performance enhancing drugs
  22. Peyote
  23. LSD
  24. Ecstasy
  25. Psilocybin (AKA magic mushrooms, shrooms, etc)
  26. Caffeine
  27. Antidepressants
  28. Aphrodisiacs (viagra, cialis, etc) [not actually aphrodisiacs]


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 10:41 PM

  1. Bath Salts
  2. Meth
  3. Heroine
  4. Ecstasy
  5. PCP
  6. Cocaine
  7. Barbiturates
  8. Benzodiazepines (roofies, etc).
  9. Oxycodone
  10. Codeine
  11. Vicodine
  12. Antidepressants
  13. LSD
  14. Inhalants
  15. Steroids
  16. Morphine
  17. Tobacco
  18. Marijuana
  19. Alcohol
  20. Peyote
  21. Psilocybin
  22. Aphrodisiacs 

 

https://www.drugabus...ose-death-rates


Edited by Manoka, 19 October 2016 - 10:42 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2016 - 02:48 AM

Bath Salts


He who posts points out that the Chinese or so who make this only check if it's lethal as a afterthought.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:17 PM

https://www.drugabus...ose-death-rates

 

Oh, great.  You bring facts into this and ruin everything.



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Posted 21 October 2016 - 06:43 AM

no mention of herbal insence on here which is very addicting and very harmful. that shit fucked me up royally.



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Posted 22 October 2016 - 04:40 PM

From a medical perspective, we generally think of drugs as falling loosely into two categories: those that are medically useful and those that are not. So from that point of view, all of the prescription medications on your list, e.g. Oxycodone, Vicodin, antidepressants, steroids, all have valid medical uses, and so one might argue they are inherently less dangerous than drugs that serve no purpose other than recreational, such as Ecstasy or bath salts. Still, even useful drugs can be abused. I would hate to see a world without morphine, for example, but it's also true that morphine is the basis for most of the major drugs commonly abused today.

Generally speaking, anything manufactured under questionable circumstances poses a potential danger simply by virtue of the fact that you don't know what's in it. Lots of people have died taking bad shit. You don't tend to have that problem with the prescription drugs, which at least are manufactured to certain standards (although how well those standards are enforced is another story). 

The most individually dangerous drugs on your list — in other words, the ones most likely to kill you the first time you take it — would probably be your bath salts, meth, PCP, and heroin (completely unregulated, manufactured under unknown conditions, dosages impossible to calculate). These also tend to be the most addictive and the ones most likely to destroy your life in the shortest period of time. But heroin addiction, at least, doesn't come out of nowhere. It usually starts with an addiction to prescription painkillers, which usually develops as a result of a real injury.

 

For years the party line in the medical community was that pain was what the patient said it was, and that you aggressively treated pain until the patient felt comfortable. This meant the use of a LOT of opiate painkillers (i.e. morphine and its derivatives). Worries about addiction were written off with the explanation that risk of addiction was low if the patient actually needed the drug for pain control. This turned out to be total bullshit.

All of this is the result of people's desire to take a pill that makes everything better. If you suffer an injury, it's supposed to hurt. That's literally the body doing it's job. But somehow we got it into our heads that pain must be eradicated, instead of telling patients the truth: we can manage your pain, give you medications to help reduce it, but it's going to hurt until your body is done healing. This is especially true of post-operative pain. I'm not saying that we should let people suffer, simply that we need to be realistic about how much pain can be reduced. But realistic is not popular.



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Posted 23 October 2016 - 12:56 AM

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Posted 29 October 2016 - 10:09 PM

Devil's harvest? Sounds like a cool strain



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Posted 30 October 2016 - 06:29 AM

Total harm caused, or harm per user?

 

Because if it is total harm caused then obviously alcohol and tobacco will be top of the list. If it is harm per user it is much hard to figure it out, possibly heroin or Meth. Also "ecstasy" has resulted in a few deaths I've heard about in the UK recently, however from what I understand it was merely that the user thought the pills were ecstasy, and they actually were/contained something else (not saying ecstasy isn't dangerous), so I don't know if that would count as ecstasy causing the harm or not.




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