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Riots?

  1. Yes (4 votes [33.33%])

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#21 Thrash

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 04:42 PM

I tend to concur. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try to assassinate Zimmerman yet though. Personally I can't decide whether that's a problem or not; I mean, Zimmerman's a bastard who deserves it, but on the other hand if he gets murdered there could well be escalation, and that would be bad.

 

So murdering Zimmerman would cause escalation and someone going and murdering is not caused by escalation? Haf, seriously, don't make me think Canada is even more backwards then I already think it is.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:17 PM

The facts in the case are clear. Zimmerman attacked the kid, he defended himself, Zimmerman shot him. That's what the forensics showed.

Uhm.... According to the courts it shows that Zimmerman was attacked first. When exactly was this not a thing? I thought that's why everyone knew that he was going to get a not guilty?

 

I tend to concur. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try to assassinate Zimmerman yet though. Personally I can't decide whether that's a problem or not; I mean, Zimmerman's a bastard who deserves it, but on the other hand if he gets murdered there could well be escalation, and that would be bad.

Woah, woah... Haf, what's so horrible that you need to get all wishing of le death on people?



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:03 PM

My guess is that arrangements are being made for Zimmerman's long-term security.  He will probably have to move away and adopt a low profile.  In the meantime the police presence in his community has probably been dramatically increased, and his home is probably under surveillance in case anyone tries anything.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:15 PM

Also, I take exception with the suggestion that George Zimmerman is an evil man.  I don't think that's accurate.  I think he was a wannabe cop — a lot of us know the type.  They say he was a member of the "neighborhood watch" but the truth was he was a neighborhood watch of one.  He wanted to be a big man, and he thought Trayvon Martin looked "suspicious," and so he called it in and then confronted the youth.  I would not be surprised if Trayvon did throw the first punch, but I'll lay odds that George Zimmerman laid hands on first.  Maybe a hand on the shoulder or poke to the chest.  Cop moves, or rather, wannabe cop moves.  The kind of thing you see in movies and on TV.  A real cop never lays hands on unless he means to do something, but, as I've said, George Zimmerman was not a real cop.  So yeah, Trayvon throws a punch, and before you know it Zimmerman is on his ass, because he's an out of shape fuck while Trayvon Martin is an athletic 17-year-old.  Panicked and possibly in legitimate fear for his life, Zimmerman fires, and Trayvon Martin is killed.  Dollars to donuts that's what happened, more or less exactly as described.  My argument is that Zimmerman should never have confronted Trayvon in the first place, and as he was specifically instructed not to do by the police dispatcher.  That's why I think it's manslaughter, as I said in the other thread.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

I think he was out hunting black men. That's really all there is to it. So ... yeah. I'm normally against the death penalty and as a practical person I tend to think it's easier to just wipe it out of your justice system entirely but people who engage in ethnic cleansing? I'm morally OK with getting them out of the gene pool.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:58 PM

Really?  What makes you think that he was "out hunting black men?"



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:01 PM

Thanks Jorost for questioning this, I'd like to know the answer too.

 

edit: and Jor, you wonder why I feel the way I do about shit, and that right there is a prime example.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:24 PM

Because of his behaviour pattern.

 

He sees a black man on the street. He calls the police to give himself a plausible excuse. Then he charges the guy, and shoots him.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:31 PM

Where exactly do you get that data from?

 

Face it Haf, you're the biased one here.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:32 PM

The only evidence that he even talked to Trayvon comes from the murderer himself.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:40 PM

And there is no evidence to the contrary. So to be quite honest, your own biases are filling the gap. You want to believe that some white guy likes shooting black guys. I don't. I don't want to make any conclusions. So I let the jury do that for me.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:59 PM

Because of his behaviour pattern.

 

He sees a black man on the street. He calls the police to give himself a plausible excuse. Then he charges the guy, and shoots him.

 

I don't think it was because he was black.

 

He had a mugger break in not too long ago, which scared his wife a lot, which is why he bought a gun. It just looks like he's an overactive neighborhood watch nut.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:50 PM

Look, we're clearly talking about a guy with anger management issues. He got arrested for fighting with a cop a few years back; he apparently got cut from a job as a security guard for being too aggressive; this pattern of behaviour is not recent. He's just figured out that shooting black kids is an easier way to work out his frustrations than picking fights with the police.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:50 AM

I'm still saying you're extrapolating. :P



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:32 AM

Yeah, Haf, I have to say I think you're out on a limb on this one.  What I see in Zimmerman's behavior pattern is a small man who wants to be a big man but lacks the skills, not necessarily racism per se.  Although I absolutely believe Trayvon Martin's being black was a big part of the reason Zimmerman found him "suspicious," I don't think he was out looking specifically to shoot a black man.  I don't think he was looking to shoot anyone; I think he was looking to catch a crook and be a hero.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:12 AM

I tend to concur. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try to assassinate Zimmerman yet though. Personally I can't decide whether that's a problem or not; I mean, Zimmerman's a bastard who deserves it, but on the other hand if he gets murdered there could well be escalation, and that would be bad.

So murdering Zimmerman would cause escalation and someone going and murdering is not caused by escalation? Haf, seriously, don't make me think Canada is even more backwards then I already think it is.

Murdering Zimmerman would be retaliation.

 

Escalation would be pro-Zimmerman supporters roving the streets shooting black people, or perhaps burning crosses on people's lawns.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:47 PM

Haf:

 

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:17 PM

Haf. When you have Jorost, Manoka, Redezra, Thrash, and I agreeing all on the same thing, it's time to put away the alcohol :P

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:20 PM

Hey, I just call 'em like I see 'em. And in this case, it's smalltown Florida that I'm looking at; you know, the kind of place that wants to repeal the 13th amendment?



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:24 PM

Also, on the topic of the thread; turns out there were a few, uh, rambunctious protests in Oakland, some people set some fires. Not really anything you'd call a riot, and Oakland is the kind of place where people riot because the latte supply is running low.



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