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Posted 04 November 2014 - 04:15 PM

Well the polls are still open, with 0% reporting.

 

Best case scenario we get another 2 years of obstructionism.

Worst case is Congress wastes lots of our time and money on repealing Obamacare and attempting to impeach the POTUS.

 

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Posted 04 November 2014 - 04:48 PM

The Republicans will gain control of the Senate, probably 52 or 53 seats. They will strengthen their control of the House, probably by 6-10 seats. They will lose a couple governorships but still have more than the Democrats. It's gonna be a bad night for Democrats.



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Posted 04 November 2014 - 05:06 PM

I voted for libertarians :P 



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Posted 04 November 2014 - 10:17 PM

Repealing Obamacare? They'd do that without getting a presidency first?



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Posted 04 November 2014 - 11:05 PM

Repealing Obamacare? They'd do that without getting a presidency first?

 

They have already tried 50+ times. 

 

So far it is a see of Red as expected. Incumbents usually do shitty in mid-terms. 



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Posted 04 November 2014 - 11:35 PM

Interesting side note factoid... Until the 2000 election, political maps were colored blue for Republican and red for Democrat. In fact, most maps of state legislative districts (when printed by the governments) still use the traditional colors. And yes, it's a pretty big tidal wave for Republicans. Last I checked, only 3 Republican incumbents for U.S. House of Reprentatives or higher have lost to Democrats. And, while midterm elections usually are a referendum on whomever is in the White House, most Presidents (at least 2 termers) have 1 good midterm and 1 bad midterm.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 12:28 AM

Repealing Obamacare? They'd do that without getting a presidency first?

 

They have already tried 50+ times. 

 

So far it is a see of Red as expected. Incumbents usually do shitty in mid-terms. 

But won't Obama just veto it?



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 12:54 AM

Yes, he will just veto it. The more important thing that's going to happen is that the Senate will actually take up and vote on bills. I know, crazy! It will force many Senators in tough states to actually vote for or against something and actually have a voting record that they can be judged on. Look for issues like border security, Keystone pipeline, and repeals of certain parts of Obamacare not just a single up or down vote on the whole thing. This will also force the President to react to the legislation before him. He can no longer hide behind the Senate's do-nothingness, but will actually have to sign or veto particular bills. Especially bills (like Keystone pipeline) that split traditional supporters (unions and environmentalists).

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 09:16 AM

The red-blue thing was not fixed until 2000 (although it's still not a "rule," just a convention that the media has adopted), but it was not necessarily the opposite. It varied from year to year and news source to news source. One year CNN did red for Democrats and blue for Republicans and ABC did the opposite, making it very confusing when you switched channels.

 

Obamacare's not going anywhere. For one thing, they don't have the votes to override a veto, as already mentioned. And for another, it's working too well for too many people. Plenty of moderate Republican senators (think Susan Collins from Maine, for example) do not want to see it repealed. But the diehards will undoubtedly put it up for a vote, and even some of the ones who don't actually want to see it repealed will go along knowing full well that it will be vetoed. This is 21st century America — government by filibuster and veto.

 

Last night was a little bit worse than expected. The House and Senate did more or less what was expected (at this writing the Louisiana senate race will have to go to a runoff and Alaska and Virginia still haven't been called, although my guess is that they will both go red), but the governorships were a disappointment. I was hoping to see Sam Brownback ousted. Oh well. 

 

This was a very Republican year for a couple of reasons. For one, most of the Senate seats up were in red states, so the Democrats started off with a disadvantage. Then you have to factor in the mid-term effect, usually more pronounced in second presidential terms, in which the party in the White House almost always loses seats. And finally, you have an unpopular Democratic incumbent. Considering the fundamentals, there is an argument to be made that the Democrats should take heart. The only people who vote in mid-terms are cranky old white people, not exactly their base. It could have been worse (for example, Scott Brown could have won in NH, which would have made him so insufferably smug that his head might have exploded; now at least we don't have to hear about his daughter's singing career any more). Two years of these guys in power, and more gridlock, will only work in the Democrats' favor in '16.

 

And so the cycle continues.

 

Expect a lot of vetoes over the next two years. You might also see a conservative Supreme Court justice or two step down, now that the odds of getting an ideologically left-leaning justice through the nomination process are exactly zero (which is ironic since Obama doesn't appoint particularly liberal judges anyway; in a lot of ways he's a very conservative guy).



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 10:15 AM

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I wanna take a quick moment to reaffirm my feelings on Ted Cruz:

 

He's an asshat.



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 10:58 AM

Most importantly perhaps now we will see action on AUDIT THE FED



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:29 AM

Most importantly perhaps now we will see action on AUDIT THE FED

 

Doubtful. The Tea Party has it out for the Fed, but the Republican establishment does not, and if last night was anything it was a reaffirmation of the establishment.



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:40 AM

What's interesting is that the polls were tilted in favor of Democrats this year, as opposed to 2012 when they were tilted in favor of Repulicans. This seems to go back and forth.

 

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 08:14 PM

So basically....

 

WELL DONE AMERICA

YOUR CONSTANT INDECISION AND PARTESAN FLIP-FLOPPING HAS ONCE AGAINS PRODUCED THE DEADLOCKED GOVERNMENT YOU HATE! :D



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 06:56 PM

oh also Jorost cuz I forgot to say it, audit the fed passed multiple times with bipartisan support in the house, and reid blocked the senate vote every time. lets see what mcconnell does.. did I mention i hate him and graham?



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 08:06 PM

I'm not sure what you think auditing the Fed will accomplish anyway. It would just be a huge political sideshow and waste of taxpayer money. I thought Republicans were supposed to be the fiscally conservative party.

 

I guess that's the thing that really irks me about the modern Republican party. They're all for small government when it comes to regulating businesses, because that way it's easier for the rich to get richer. But they have no problem throwing money at the stuff they think is important, like bullshit political witch hunts. They're mean. They're petty. They are all looking for the next Gotcha! moment. They oversimplify things to the point of inaccuracy. They pretend to be looking out for the little guy, when really they're just trying to divide people with wedge issues, effectively keeping people blinded to the systematic rape of the American Dream. They are vicious, angry, trivially moral, small-minded, racist, homophobic, intolerant of change in general. They want, as Matt Taibbi said, to take their ball and go home. The Democrats are no prize, don't get me wrong; but the Republicans in their current iteration are a blight on the American nation.

 

There are some within their party who realize the extremists and evangelicals wield too much power. And time is against them. Cranky old white people don't live forever, it just seems that way. With each successive election cycle more and more will have died off, and their power will wane. Still, it could take a decade or more. And they won't go quietly. So it will be interesting to watch, if nothing else. But the real power, the Big Money, will continue to wield an iron grip on the American political system until and unless private money is removed from the political process entirely.



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 10:48 PM

Yes, he will just veto it. The more important thing that's going to happen is that the Senate will actually take up and vote on bills. I know, crazy! It will force many Senators in tough states to actually vote for or against something and actually have a voting record that they can be judged on. Look for issues like border security, Keystone pipeline, and repeals of certain parts of Obamacare not just a single up or down vote on the whole thing. This will also force the President to react to the legislation before him. He can no longer hide behind the Senate's do-nothingness, but will actually have to sign or veto particular bills. Especially bills (like Keystone pipeline) that split traditional supporters (unions and environmentalists).

 

Why would he react? He's the president, in his second term. He's not worried about winning favors, he's worried about his legacy.



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 10:53 PM

Yes, he will just veto it. The more important thing that's going to happen is that the Senate will actually take up and vote on bills. I know, crazy! It will force many Senators in tough states to actually vote for or against something and actually have a voting record that they can be judged on. Look for issues like border security, Keystone pipeline, and repeals of certain parts of Obamacare not just a single up or down vote on the whole thing. This will also force the President to react to the legislation before him. He can no longer hide behind the Senate's do-nothingness, but will actually have to sign or veto particular bills. Especially bills (like Keystone pipeline) that split traditional supporters (unions and environmentalists).

 
Why would he react? He's the president, in his second term. He's not worried about winning favors, he's worried about his legacy.


One of the biggest aspects of his legacy will be whether his successor will continue his policies or not. And, when legislation come to him from the Congress, he will be forced to either veto or allow it to become law.

So... When the repeal Obamacare bill comes to him, his veto is his reacting. So yes, he will be forced to react.

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 11:12 PM

We all know his successor will be a Democrat.

 

She's a practical shoe-in.



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 11:24 PM

As much of a shoe-in as Democratic governors in Massachusetts and Maryland? Remember, 2 years is a long ways a way. A lot can happen before then.

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