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#41 The Dark Empire

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 08:55 PM


I look at her and I see a woman who views her responsibilities with the greatest seriousness.


I look at her and see a woman who I'd love to plow.

Yes, Redezra. I am disgusting.

The Queen or the duchess and I really hope you are talking about the latter

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:08 PM

I see it differently. I look at her and I see a woman who views her responsibilities with the greatest seriousness. Maybe she never had a choice, but her life is not her own. In many ways she is as much a property of the British people as the palaces and pavilions you so decry. But me, I love royalty.


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I look at her and I see a woman who views her responsibilities with the greatest seriousness.


I look at her and see a woman who I'd love to plow.

Yes, Redezra. I am disgusting.

At least you accept it :)

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:24 PM



Haf for you

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:54 AM

Yah, I know that song.

But me, I love royalty.

So you're in favour of giving aristocracies special privileges then?

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:39 AM

I think he is. But within bounds, it's a symbolic position.

The british have it cause they always had it. It's like the Japanese Emperor.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:12 PM

You are aware of two things: one, Cromwell, and two, the shogunate, right?

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:05 PM

Cromwell was an aberration. Besides, he was king in all but name. But Lord Protector could easily have turned into a hereditary title if Cromwell's son hadn't been such a dolt.

The shogunate kind of make's Red's point. During that period the emperor was a figurehead, the real power was in the hands of the shoguns. Yet the imperial throne was retained. That's where Britain is today -- a figurehead monarch with no political power, which instead lies in the hands of a professional bureaucratic class (shoguns, parliamentarians, etc.). I can see the parallel.

Anyway, if it works for them, what do you care? Whatever your view of how she got there, the Queen is not some ravening madwoman reigning over an enslaved, oppressed people. Some of the most progressive, egalitarian countries on Earth also happen to be monarchies. I'm thinking of countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, etc. See? Royal trappings for me, hippy-dippy liberalism for you, pot for both of us, it's all good. Who says you can't have it all? :)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:06 PM

Yes, and I don't see how they are relevant?

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:18 PM

Cromwell was an aberration. Besides, he was king in all but name. But Lord Protector could easily have turned into a hereditary title if Cromwell's son hadn't been such a dolt.

The shogunate kind of make's Red's point. During that period the emperor was a figurehead, the real power was in the hands of the shoguns. Yet the imperial throne was retained. That's where Britain is today -- a figurehead monarch with no political power, which instead lies in the hands of a professional bureaucratic class (shoguns, parliamentarians, etc.). I can see the parallel.

The shogunate period is not exactly brief. It's nearly seven hundred years. When the emperors were restored to power, less than a century later, they were forcibly removed and stripped of their sovereignty.

I'd be fine with having a Queen that wasn't a sovereign. That'd be good. B)

Anyway, if it works for them, what do you care? Whatever your view of how she got there, the Queen is not some ravening madwoman reigning over an enslaved, oppressed people. Some of the most progressive, egalitarian countries on Earth also happen to be monarchies. I'm thinking of countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, etc. See? Royal trappings for me, hippy-dippy liberalism for you, pot for both of us, it's all good. Who says you can't have it all? :)

You included Denmark in the list. Do we have to have this discussion again?

See, I used to live in Iceland.

Icelanders have a saying. Well they don't really. But it does appear in one of their prominent historical works. That saying is, "Iceland is a land free from kings and other bandits."

Iceland's the only Nordic republic. Part of the reason why it's better. :)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:27 PM

Except for Finland.

And anyway, Iceland ain't doing so well lately, way I hear it. :(

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:32 PM

Shogunate?

Makes me think of this:

http://en.wikipedia....Warriors_(toys)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

Finland isn't Nordic. You should know better than that Jor.

The Nordic countries are Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland. It's a linguistic grouping, they all speak languages that descend from Old Norse.

The Finns really really don't. B)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:06 PM

I wouldn't say Iceland is the best sounds like you are just biased

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:07 PM

Eh, you do realize that I was only placing it first out of a group of four nations right? :)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:10 PM

Yeah but that changes nothing

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:15 PM

Haf doesn't like any authority but his own it seems~

Cause he knows everything~ No way is any gov ever doing things on data that they don't share with the populace~ :P


Also, stop trying to make royals look like criminals, or like they're despots. They aren't. Not in this day and age anyway. And that's actually all that matters.

They were an important focus for societal morale, and they remain so.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:08 AM

They're only criminals in the sense that tax evaders are criminals. Now.

The thing is, their privileges are accorded to them because of the family they were born into. Which brings up their obvious similarity to, say, the Gambino family.

Buying these kinds of people off with extreme wealth works in a sense: they stop hiring thugs to extract money from your citizenry, because they already have far more than enough. But it's still essentially a bad idea to reward aristocratic families for their misdeeds.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:21 AM

Who are said thugs they hire

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:25 AM

You are aware of this thing called British history, yes?

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:27 AM

Yes but that sir is history we're talking about our present situation which is distinct because the monarch is merely a figurehead with some property you deem stolen

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