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[Thrash]

Ok, so seriously. I've heard all the crap the media is throwing at her for her past, and I see nothing that troubles me.

Do you honestly think she's going to try to change the laws of this country to be based on morals? Not that it would hurt to have some of that.

So, she had a hard time paying bills, who hasn't?

She's against masturbation, big deal.

She "dabbled" in withcraft. Who hasn't pretended to be something they weren't when they were young?

I expect to be pummeled bad on this topic.

Plus, she's cute. Palin & O'Donnell would be a superstar ticket.

[atlashill]

Bristol will get more votes on Dancing than Christine will get for Senate.

It had to be said.

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A number of high level campaign staffers from her '08 run have talked about how she deliberately and repeatedly defrauded vendors. She would spend money she did not have, and then run out on the bill. How is that being "fiscally responsible?" She has illegally used campaign funds for personal expenses. She has attempted to cajole campaign staffers into paying for expenses on their own personal credit cards. She has stiffed her own staff out of their pay. She believed that she could simply buy a plane ticket to the 2008 GOP convention and be given a keynote speaker's spot (they laughed at her). A number of aides have talked about how she was more interested in getting a TV deal from Fox or CNN in '06 and '08 than in actually running a campaign. And she has stated that she believes scientists have cloned mice with human brains. I am not making that up.

If Barack Obama -- or any Democrat -- had even one of the things I listed above in their background, the conservatives would be APOPLECTIC with self-righteousness. That they are trying to sweep it all under the rug for her just underscores what incredible hypocrites they are.

Give me a break with this, Thrash. This is the type of person you want running this country? Are you really so entrenched in what you think your politics are (even though most of your stated beliefs are contrary to your supposed political position)? This woman is a joke. A bad joke. She is in no way qualified to be a United States senator. She has never had a real job. She is nothing but a political gadfly who happened to latch onto the Tea Party bandwagon. She is an ignorant, petty, small-minded, opportunistic attention seeker, and nothing more. She makes a mockery not only of the political process, but of those members of the conservative movement who are seriously dedicated to their cause.

Just because someone is pretty does not mean they should be a senator.

Now, having said all that, I will also say that I am thrilled to have her as the nominee. She not only guarantees a Democratic victory in the Delaware senate race, but she makes the entire conservative movement look idiotic.

[atlashill]

Jorost, if those claims about her running up a tab, not paying staffers, defrauding vendors, etc. are accurate, shouldn't there be a criminal investigation opened?

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Only if charges are pressed. I don't know much about these kinds of situations, but I'm not sure that it's a crime vs. a civil infraction. I used to have a boss who habitually stiffed vendors too, and he never went to jail. Of course it killed his business' credit. But then he would just "reorganize" and start all over. I imagine that each separate campaign is like a distinct business (i.e. "O'Donnell '06" vs. "O'Donnell '08," etc.). There are people here who know more about the law, so maybe they could say.

But let's say that every one of the many, many accusations of financial mismanagement are lies. She would still be a breathtakingly vapid person who has no business in public office.

But, hey, I shouldn't complain. If she's the type of candidate the GOP wants to run, all the better for Democrats.

[Invicta]

Both sides try to sweep crap under the rug, it's not unique to the Republican. We don't want to open the "who has swept more dirt under the carpet" contest. Nobody wins.

Not that I in ANY way support her for anything. Ever.

[atlashill]

Give me a break with this, Thrash. This is the type of person you want running this country? Are you really so entrenched in what you think your politics are (even though most of your stated beliefs are contrary to your supposed political position)? This woman is a joke. A bad joke. She is in no way qualified to be a United States senator. She has never had a real job. She is nothing but a political gadfly who happened to latch onto the Tea Party bandwagon. She is an ignorant, petty, small-minded, opportunistic attention seeker, and nothing more. She makes a mockery not only of the political process, but of those members of the conservative movement who are seriously dedicated to their cause.

Allow me to translate:

Jorost would rather vote Thrash into the White House.

There, I had to say that too.

[Thrash]

Jorost would rather vote Thrash into the White House.

I could so fix this place. We'd have a kick ass military with border walls around the whole country, legalize marijuana, outlaw tobacco (on 2nd thought, that would probably be a real bad idea), change the stupid outdated electoral college system, drug tests for welfare recipients, population control, not mess in any other country's affairs.

Oh, and I guess you really really really hate her, Jor. I've never even seen you go off like that on Palin.

[Dan2680]

She's against masturbation, big deal.

She "dabbled" in withcraft. Who hasn't pretended to be something they weren't when they were young?

Ok, I find people who are against masturbation immature. Who gives a fuck if someone chokes the chicken in the privacy of their own home? I dont think it is right to tell people that is wrong, or to tell people being gay is wrong or what have you.

On the topic of witchcraft... if you would vote for someone who "dabbled" in witchcraft then you are pretty dumb. Would you vote in a 6 year old who pretend she has a unicorn? Its sorta fucky.

[atlashill]

Jorost would rather vote Thrash into the White House.

I could so fix this place. We'd have a kick ass military with border walls around the whole country, legalize marijuana, outlaw tobacco (on 2nd thought, that would probably be a real bad idea), change the stupid outdated electoral college system, drug tests for welfare recipients, population control, not mess in any other country's affairs.

Oh, and I guess you really really really hate her, Jor. I've never even seen you go off like that on Palin.

Hey, and you're old enough to be president.

Too bad I'm not a party hack with a secret desire to go rogue with my electoral college votes.

[Learz]

Do you honestly think she's going to try to change the laws of this country to be based on morals? Not that it would hurt to have some of that.

Whose morals? Mine, hers, or Obama's?

Perhaps a better idea would be to leave morals entirely out of it. Seriously. Don't force people to do what they don't want.
/libertarianism

*Everything* should be legalized and regulated. You don't like something? Don't do it. Don't like your rights being restricted? Don't restrict other people's rights.

Just had to get that off my chest. It always ticks me off when people argue that we should have "morals" and "decency", but only if we use their versions of them.

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I dislike Christine O'Donnell way more than I dislike Sarah Palin. Palin, as distasteful as I find her, is not a legitimate electoral threat. As I have said many times, she doesn't want to be president. She wants to be a celebrity. She might play with a White House run because it keeps the spotlight on her, but if it ever looked like she might actually have a chance of winning she would bail. O'Donnell, on the other hand, stands a chance of wielding actual political power.

And even though I can't believe I'm saying this, Sarah Palin is smarter. Hard to believe, but it's true.

By the way, has anyone noticed that Sarah Palin seems a little annoyed at all the attention being paid to O'Donnell? I know she endorsed her, but I don't think she realized what a monster she was creating. In the days after O'Donnell's primary victory, Palin made a flurry of public statements and announcements, almost like she was desperate to get the attention back.

Gentlemen, I'm going to go ahead and say what we're all thinking:

CHICK FIGHT.

[Invicta]

Do you honestly think she's going to try to change the laws of this country to be based on morals? Not that it would hurt to have some of that.

Whose morals? Mine, hers, or Obama's?

Perhaps a better idea would be to leave morals entirely out of it. Seriously. Don't force people to do what they don't want.
/libertarianism

*Everything* should be legalized and regulated. You don't like something? Don't do it. Don't like your rights being restricted? Don't restrict other people's rights.

Just had to get that off my chest. It always ticks me off when people argue that we should have "morals" and "decency", but only if we use their versions of them.

I think we should have morals and decency, but only if we use my versions of them. It would be interesting to talk this out over IRC sometime though, because we come from similar backgrounds in some ways, but I'm a firm believer in forcing people to do what they don't want, restricting people's rights (actually I don't "believe" in rights), outlawing things, etc.

[atlashill]

By the way, has anyone noticed that Sarah Palin seems a little annoyed at all the attention being paid to O'Donnell? I know she endorsed her, but I don't think she realized what a monster she was creating. In the days after O'Donnell's primary victory, Palin made a flurry of public statements and announcements, almost like she was desperate to get the attention back.

Yes, except Florence Henderson's possible wardrobe malfunction might have negated that.

Also, the whole "Write-In Campaigns are for losers" spiel she's directing at Lisa Murkowski when O'Donnell ran as a write-in after losing the primary four years ago. But at least it worked for Lieberman. Maybe Mike Castle ought to say "feck it, I'll run as a write-in too".

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Lieberman didn't run as a write-in. He got on the ballot as an independent. There's a big difference. No one has won a senate race on a write-in vote since Strom Thurmond in 1954, if I remember correctly.

However, if there was ever a place where it might be possible, it's Alaska. And Murkowski is well-liked up there. So she has a chance. More to the point, I think she made the calculation that she would rather have McAdams, the Democrat, in office than the Palin-backed Joe Miller. Her write-in candidacy makes that possibility a lot more likely.

When she announced the write-in campaign, Murkowski took a direct shot across Palin's bow, calling herself "one Republican woman who wouldn't abandon Alaska." That's good stuff.

The Alaska senate race is win-win-win for people like me. If McAdams wins, that's another Democratic seat in the Senate. If Murkowski wins, she will likely divorce herself from the Republican party (who could blame her after how they've treated her?), maybe even becoming an independent. And if Miller wins, it's another crazy Tea Party hack to make the GOP look foolish.

[Learz]

I think we should have morals and decency, but only if we use my versions of them. It would be interesting to talk this out over IRC sometime though, because we come from similar backgrounds in some ways, but I'm a firm believer in forcing people to do what they don't want, restricting people's rights (actually I don't "believe" in rights), outlawing things, etc.

Hehheh,I tend to be a bit "all over" with my political views
Generally though, I feel a group of people should be able to do whatever they want, so long as a free and fast way is available for people to leave the group. This means that if a bunch of, I dunno, hardcore, uh, radical militant Voodoo-ists wanted to establish a totalitarian state based upon Voodoo-ism, and enforce it upon their citizens, it'd be cool. No sweat, as long as anyone who wanted to leave that regime could do so.

Hehheh. It's complicated. But if we catch each other on IRC, it would be cool to chat. Ironically, my main comp freaked out at me last night. Some weird thing about using a cracked copy of windows, I dunno. Just because I downloaded it and used a faked key is no reason for microsoft to lock down my computer. So inconsiderate!

I should be back up by Thursday, I hope >.>

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There has to be a balance between the needs of the group and the rights of the individual. Unlike Glen, I do believe that people have certain inalienable rights, although those may not be the same rights that many Americans feel they are entitled to. For example, I think that people have the right to be free of want and suffering as much as is possible, and to that end I believe it is government's responsibility to create an environment in which that can be achieved. By that I mean a nation in which no one is without food, shelter, medical care, and access to an education. This would create a happier, more productive populace, which is better for society as a whole.

[Thrash]

Hehheh. It's complicated. But if we catch each other on IRC, it would be cool to chat. Ironically, my main comp freaked out at me last night. Some weird thing about using a cracked copy of windows, I dunno. Just because I downloaded it and used a faked key is no reason for microsoft to lock down my computer. So inconsiderate!

System Restore back to before you applied the last Windows Updates, and DON'T get the Windows Genuine Advantage update (uncheck it), that's the one that locked you out.

[Learz]

Hehheh. It's complicated. But if we catch each other on IRC, it would be cool to chat. Ironically, my main comp freaked out at me last night. Some weird thing about using a cracked copy of windows, I dunno. Just because I downloaded it and used a faked key is no reason for microsoft to lock down my computer. So inconsiderate!

System Restore back to before you applied the last Windows Updates, and DON'T get the Windows Genuine Advantage update (uncheck it), that's the one that locked you out.

Well, that's the funny thing... I didn't update. There were no updates ever. I triple checked.
It's cool tho, I actually have a real 64bit win7. I was having compatibility issues with my ancient CPU so switched to a cracked 32bit ver. In an unusual twist today, a distant relative of mine decided to send me some cash out of the blue, so I'll be able to get a low level quad core (woo-hoo!). So yeah, now I just have to get the CPU, install windows again, transfer everything back, tweak stuff, and I should be good!

[atlashill]

Ubuntu.

That is all.