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[ᗅᗺᗷᗅ]

Lol. We can't still win it. We really can't. Yes, it is technically possible. But the odds against it would be something like 20 to 1 against. Here's the math:

 

So far Hillary Clinton has won 58% of pledged delegates (not counting superdelegates). If she keeps up that pace, even if she doesn't win any more superdelegates, she will lock up the nomination on April 26. If she continues to accrue superdelegates at her current rate, she will probably lock it up when New York votes on April 19.

 

By contrast, Bernie Sanders would need to win 67% of the remaining delegates (again, not counting superdelegates). To say that is a daunting task would be the epitome of understatement. It would be unprecedented.

 

Now, if ever there was an election that could be considered unprecedented, it's this one. So I totally understand why Bernie supporters want to keep going. Hell, I consider myself a Bernie supporter. I agree with almost everything he says, and he is the first political candidate to whom I have ever donated money. But I am also a realist. I recognize that there is a dichotomy between what I want and what is likely.

 

Most likely Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. I would put the chances at about 90%. What concerns me is the growing "Bernie or Bust" movement that threatens to stay home or — worse — vote for Trump if Bernie Sanders is not the nominee. This seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face, imho. I have a lot of reservations about Hillary Clinton. She is not my first choice for president. But if the goal is to elect a president who supports progressive causes, Hillary Clinton is a damn sight better than Donald Trump. Isn't it better to get a little of what you want instead of none at all?

[KiWi]

Nope. Trump over Hillary. The Congress, if it's so mighty and progressive, can keep him in check, or we can just piss away trillions of dollars and lose so much more potential.

Unless he starts a war, like Iraq or worse (and it could happen), then I'd be content enough and not regret my vote for Trump.

[Redezra]

Think World War III. Think the economy being a lot worse than it is now. Think the end of the west as we know it.

 

That's what Trump could do.

[the rebel]

Think World War III. Think the economy being a lot worse than it is now. Think the end of the west as we know it.

That's what Trump could do.

He could only do as much as congress allows.

[King Biscuit]

Think World War III. Think the economy being a lot worse than it is now. Think the end of the west as we know it.

That's what Trump could do.

He could only do as much as congress allows.

 

Congress doesn't do fuckall, so I'm sure he'd get away with a lot.

[the rebel]

Think World War III. Think the economy being a lot worse than it is now. Think the end of the west as we know it.

That's what Trump could do.

He could only do as much as congress allows.

Congress doesn't do fuckall, so I'm sure he'd get away with a lot.

Tell that to Obama and his gun regulation headaches

[Thrash]

More like tell that to Obama and his executive orders.

[KiWi]

If one man destroys America, then let it burn.

I will put my money where my mouth is.

Lights go out, and it sucks. But the world keeps on turning. We are not special. I am not deluded on that.

[Redezra]

I thought we were trying to fix the problems inherent in the system, not make them intentionally worse.

[Sydarius Mar]

Hello, all. Interesting discussion this one has been. This article has given me some food for thought about this political race in general, and Bernie Sanders specifically. Thought I'd share it with all of you and add a wee bit of fuel to the fire.

 

~Syd

[Haflinger]

It kinda amazes me that the country which got rid of Mussolini is considering electing Trump.

[Redezra]

This is what happens when you don't teach history (let alone anything else) properly.

[King Biscuit]

If one man destroys America, then let it burn.

I will put my money where my mouth is.

Lights go out, and it sucks. But the world keeps on turning. We are not special. I am not deluded on that.

 

[Lord Draculea]

Just because we're not "special" (whatever that means), doesn't mean we should go extinct.

[KiWi]

Just because we're not "special" (whatever that means), doesn't mean we should go extinct.

"You" are not America though.

I'm speaking about America, the Shining City on a Hill. "We" are not special. So if our nation falls; then it falls.

It kinda amazes me that the country which got rid of Mussolini is considering electing Trump.

We also got rid of Hitler. We also bomb indiscriminately.

Your point?





My point is, America is going to be what America is. I can only do what I personally can do (vote, pay taxes, be a good person, follow the speed limit [lawl], Help old ladies cross the street, leap tall traffic cones in a single bound). I am effectively powerless. As most everyone is. The country, any mass, is simply the collective total of all those people put together (with some steering from those with real power).

If America is willing to fight off a Hitler, then great. If America is able. If we're not, and we elect, by choice, or allow to be chosen by those who would put someone in power, then that's what it's going to be.

[ᗅᗺᗷᗅ]

More like tell that to Obama and his executive orders.

 
You really need to stop getting your information from Fox News and its ilk. Let's put this one to bed, shall we? 
 


 

[Haflinger]

It kinda amazes me that the country which got rid of Mussolini is considering electing Trump.

We also got rid of Hitler. We also bomb indiscriminately.

Your point?

Trump isn't much like Hitler. He's an awful lot like Mussolini. Sometime soon, I expect to see Brownshirts at his rallies.

[Redezra]

Just because we're not "special" (whatever that means), doesn't mean we should go extinct.

"You" are not America though.

I'm speaking about America, the Shining City on a Hill. "We" are not special. So if our nation falls; then it falls.

>It kinda amazes me that the country which got rid of Mussolini is considering electing Trump.

We also got rid of Hitler. We also bomb indiscriminately.

Your point?





My point is, America is going to be what America is. I can only do what I personally can do (vote, pay taxes, be a good person, follow the speed limit [lawl], Help old ladies cross the street, leap tall traffic cones in a single bound). I am effectively powerless. As most everyone is. The country, any mass, is simply the collective total of all those people put together (with some steering from those with real power).

If America is willing to fight off a Hitler, then great. If America is able. If we're not, and we elect, by choice, or allow to be chosen by those who would put someone in power, then that's what it's going to be.

 

 

The problem is Kiwi, if America falls, the entire western world goes with it.

 

And I for one, don't like that future. So fucking hell Americans, get your fucking priorities straight.

[Haflinger]

I think you're being a bit overdramatic. American military power is important to western security, but it's not everything, and I don't see a President Trump suddenly turning around and allying with China to bring the world to its knees. A return to American isolationism wouldn't be a good thing but it also wouldn't be the end of the world.

[KiWi]

I think you're being a bit overdramatic. American military power is important to western security, but it's not everything, and I don't see a President Trump suddenly turning around and allying with China to bring the world to its knees. A return to American isolationism wouldn't be a good thing but it also wouldn't be the end of the world.

This.

And without the realities of the ramifications being thrown in my face, I'm just some white dude, who has always lived in America, (relatively) absolutely blessed. What do I know. Nothing.

My response is going to be: "So the Western world goes down because of one man?" Fuck. Them. Even if that's rude.

But again; it's a knee-jerk, thoughtless, baseless, statement I'm just typing up.

I live in Maryland anyway. So the Democract is going to win. So I'm powerless to do anything to change anything regarding Trump or America's Presidency, or the fate of the Free World Redezra.