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Posted 23 November 2013 - 05:24 PM

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by Linda Tirado

 

November 23, 2013  |  There's no way to structure this coherently. They are random observations that might help explain the mental processes. But often, I think that we look at the academic problems of poverty and have no idea of the  why. We know the what and the how, and we can see systemic problems, but it's rare to have a poor person actually explain it on their own behalf. So this is me doing that, sort of.

 

Rest is a luxury for the rich. I get up at 6AM, go to school (I have a full courseload, but I only have to go to two in-person classes) then work, then I get the kids, then I pick up my husband, then I have half an hour to change and go to Job 2. I get home from that at around 1230AM, then I have the rest of my classes and work to tend to. I'm in bed by 3. This isn't every day, I have two days off a week from each of my obligations. I use that time to clean the house and soothe Mr. Martini and see the kids for longer than an hour and catch up on schoolwork. Those nights I'm in bed by midnight, but if I go to bed too early I won't be able to stay up the other nights because I'll fuck my pattern up, and I drive an hour home from Job 2 so I can't afford to be sleepy. I never get a day off from work unless I am fairly sick. It doesn't leave you much room to think about what you are doing, only to attend to the next thing and the next. Planning isn't in the mix.

 

When I was pregnant the first time, I was living in a weekly motel for some time. I had a minifridge with no freezer and a microwave. I was on WIC. I ate peanut butter from the jar and frozen burritos because they were 12/$2. Had I had a stove, I couldn't have made beef burritos that cheaply. And I needed the meat, I was pregnant. I might not have had any prenatal care, but I am intelligent enough to eat protein and iron whilst knocked up.

 

I know how to cook. I had to take Home Ec to graduate high school. Most people on my level didn't. Broccoli is intimidating. You have to have a working stove, and pots, and spices, and you'll have to do the dishes no matter how tired you are or they'll attract bugs. It is a huge new skill for a lot of people. That's not great, but it's true. And if you fuck it up, you could make your family sick. We have learned not to try too hard to be middle-class. It never works out well and always makes you feel worse for having tried and failed yet again. Better not to try. It makes more sense to get food that you know will be palatable and cheap and that keeps well. Junk food is a pleasure that we are allowed to have; why would we give that up? We have very few of them.

 

The closest Planned Parenthood to me is three hours. That's a lot of money in gas. Lots of women can't afford that, and even if you live near one you probably don't want to be seen coming in and out in a lot of areas. We're aware that we are not "having kids," we're "breeding." We have kids for much the same reasons that I imagine rich people do. Urge to propagate and all. Nobody likes poor people procreating, but they judge abortion even harder.

 

Convenience food is just that. And we are not allowed many conveniences. Especially since the Patriot Act passed, it's hard to get a bank account. But without one, you spend a lot of time figuring out where to cash a check and get money orders to pay bills. Most motels now have a no-credit-card-no-room policy. I wandered around SF for five hours in the rain once with nearly a thousand dollars on me and could not rent a room even if I gave them a $500 cash deposit and surrendered my cell phone to the desk to hold as surety.

 

Nobody gives enough thought to depression. You have to understand that we know that we will never not feel tired. We will never feel hopeful. We will never get a vacation. Ever. We know that the very act of being poor guarantees that we will never not be poor. It doesn't give us much reason to improve ourselves. We don't apply for jobs because we know we can't afford to look nice enough to hold them. I would make a super legal secretary, but I've been turned down more than once because I "don't fit the image of the firm," which is a nice way of saying "gtfo, pov." I am good enough to cook the food, hidden away in the kitchen, but my boss won't make me a server because I don't "fit the corporate image." I am not beautiful. I have missing teeth and skin that looks like it will when you live on b12 and coffee and nicotine and no sleep. Beauty is a thing you get when you can afford it, and that's how you get the job that you need in order to be beautiful. There isn't much point trying.

 

Cooking attracts roaches. Nobody realizes that. I've spent a lot of hours impaling roach bodies and leaving them out on toothpick pikes to discourage others from entering. It doesn't work, but is amusing.

 

"Free" only exists for rich people. It's great that there's a bowl of condoms at my school, but most poor people will never set foot on a college campus. We don't belong there. There's a clinic? Great! There's still a copay. We're not going. Besides, all they'll tell you at the clinic is that you need to see a specialist, which seriously? Might as well be located on Mars for how accessible it is. "Low-cost" and "sliding scale" sounds like "money you have to spend" to me, and they can't actually help you anyway.

 

I smoke. It's expensive. It's also the best option. You see, I am always, always exhausted. It's a stimulant. When I am too tired to walk one more step, I can smoke and go for another hour. When I am enraged and beaten down and incapable of accomplishing one more thing, I can smoke and I feel a little better, just for a minute. It is the only relaxation I am allowed. It is not a good decision, but it is the only one that I have access to. It is the only thing I have found that keeps me from collapsing or exploding.

 

I make a lot of poor financial decisions. None of them matter, in the long term. I will never not be poor, so what does it matter if I don't pay a thing and a half this week instead of just one thing? It's not like the sacrifice will result in improved circumstances; the thing holding me back isn't that I blow five bucks at Wendy's. It's that now that I have proven that I am a Poor Person that is all that I am or ever will be. It is not worth it to me to live a bleak life devoid of small pleasures so that one day I can make a single large purchase. I will never have large pleasures to hold on to. There's a certain pull to live what bits of life you can while there's money in your pocket, because no matter how responsible you are you will be broke in three days anyway. When you never have enough money it ceases to have meaning. I imagine having a lot of it is the same thing.

 

Poverty is bleak and cuts off your long-term brain. It's why you see people with four different babydaddies instead of one. You grab a bit of connection wherever you can to survive. You have no idea how strong the pull to feel worthwhile is. It's more basic than food. You go to these people who make you feel lovely for an hour that one time, and that's all you get. You're probably not compatible with them for anything long-term, but right this minute they can make you feel powerful and valuable. It does not matter what will happen in a month. Whatever happens in a month is probably going to be just about as indifferent as whatever happened today or last week. None of it matters. We don't plan long-term because if we do we'll just get our hearts broken. It's best not to hope. You just take what you can get as you spot it.

 

I am not asking for sympathy. I am just trying to explain, on a human level, how it is that people make what look from the outside like awful decisions. This is what our lives are like, and here are our defense mechanisms, and here is why we think differently. It's certainly self-defeating, but it's safer. That's all. I hope it helps make sense of it.





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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:08 PM

Wow.. this was very deep except for the last part "4 different babydaddies"... I disagree with this completely as there is a big difference from being poor and being a slot! my words are harsh? maybe, but you have no idea how much the system is abused by such people (at least here where I live) simply because our government provides a monthly payment to parents for each kid (it is a good thing) but some people are simply living of this, they gotten to lazy to work.. basically drink, smoke and have more children to keep the money flow coming. Well guess who pays for all this? probably people like you and me that are working their ass off. (I end up paying a 49% income tax every year add to that 15% sales tax on anything and everything I buy so a total of 64% of my income goes towards supporting lazy system abusers).. tell me that this is fair!!



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:44 PM

I feel like you kind of missed the point of what came afterward.

 

You grab a bit of connection wherever you can to survive. You have no idea how strong the pull to feel worthwhile is. It's more basic than food. You go to these people who make you feel lovely for an hour that one time, and that's all you get. You're probably not compatible with them for anything long-term, but right this minute they can make you feel powerful and valuable. It does not matter what will happen in a month. Whatever happens in a month is probably going to be just about as indifferent as whatever happened today or last week. None of it matters. We don't plan long-term because if we do we'll just get our hearts broken. It's best not to hope. You just take what you can get as you spot it.

 

I thought this was powerful.  I'm certainly not rich but my life is a lot more comfortable than this.  I never thought of some of these things.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:11 PM

I can agree with this person. 



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:08 PM

What struck me was the sense of nothing really mattering, because nothing was going to change anyway.  That kind of resignation and hopelessness is hard to overcome.  It is said that we live in a classless society, but it is not true.  These are the modern serfs, the villeins of the modern age. 



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:12 PM

It's beautiful. It's the human condition.

How do I convey the importance of this? I liked the post (been doing more of that), posting here. If nothing else, it's funny how this can be cited for peoples beliefs in anything, as well as help explain why that is the case.

Again, it's an important part of the human condition. Understanding that should be something we all strive for. We need to live our lives. You should do anything you can to enrich it, and understanding why can not be understated. You just have to be willing to listen.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:19 AM

I feel like you kind of missed the point of what came afterward.

 

 

You grab a bit of connection wherever you can to survive. You have no idea how strong the pull to feel worthwhile is. It's more basic than food. You go to these people who make you feel lovely for an hour that one time, and that's all you get. You're probably not compatible with them for anything long-term, but right this minute they can make you feel powerful and valuable. It does not matter what will happen in a month. Whatever happens in a month is probably going to be just about as indifferent as whatever happened today or last week. None of it matters. We don't plan long-term because if we do we'll just get our hearts broken. It's best not to hope. You just take what you can get as you spot it.

 

 

I thought this was powerful.  I'm certainly not rich but my life is a lot more comfortable than this.  I never thought of some of these things.

 

yep.. sure did miss the point on my first run, indeed it is powerful but it sure is a wrong attitude life or anything for that matter and it should not be an excuse to make more mistakes.

You know what the problem with this lady is? she led herself to where she is now and did not learn anything from her previous mistakes and keeps making the same ones over and over again except each time she makes the same mistake the outcome is allot worse! she put herself in a vicious cycle that will keep progressively getting worse.. I understand she is suffering however that was a choice she made when she decided that nothing really matters and kept doing the mistakes over and over again.. imho all it takes is an attitude change... and it is never too late for that.

Really good article overall and an eye opener that addresses an issue that is not discussed very often.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 06:31 AM

She lead herself to where she is now? The point of the article, at least, is that she didn't. She didn't decide to be poor, she was born into it, and while it's not impossible to, if you will, rise in society, it's damn hard, and there are, in effect, a limited number of places. Not everyone can pull themselves up in to the better jobs, or the promotions, there simply aren't enough, and some people will always be on the bottom of the pile, all you can do is try and change the level the bottom rests on.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 07:26 AM

She lead herself to where she is now? The point of the article, at least, is that she didn't. She didn't decide to be poor, she was born into it, and while it's not impossible to, if you will, rise in society, it's damn hard, and there are, in effect, a limited number of places. Not everyone can pull themselves up in to the better jobs, or the promotions, there simply aren't enough, and some people will always be on the bottom of the pile, all you can do is try and change the level the bottom rests on.

 

Sure she didn't choose to be poor, but she did choose to make it a lot worse than it should of been. When you're in difficulty you don't decide to start having children when homeless and then continue, you don't decide to continue drinking and you don't decide to continue smoking.

 

When you can't afford luxuries they should be the first things to go.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:11 AM

Again, you guys are all missing the point.  You're using words like "decide" as if the writer planned all of these things.  She didn't.  That's the point.  There is no planning, there is no future, there is only the moment, and taking what small bits of solace, comfort, or pleasure when you can.  That's it.  Nothing more.  It's a different mindset, a different way of thinking — a different way of being — that develops when life has beaten you down to the point where there is no hope left.

 

 

I make a lot of poor financial decisions. None of them matter, in the long term. I will never not be poor, so what does it matter if I don't pay a thing and a half this week instead of just one thing? It's not like the sacrifice will result in improved circumstances; the thing holding me back isn't that I blow five bucks at Wendy's. It's that now that I have proven that I am a Poor Person that is all that I am or ever will be. It is not worth it to me to live a bleak life devoid of small pleasures so that one day I can make a single large purchase. I will never have large pleasures to hold on to. There's a certain pull to live what bits of life you can while there's money in your pocket, because no matter how responsible you are you will be broke in three days anyway. When you never have enough money it ceases to have meaning. I imagine having a lot of it is the same thing.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:24 AM

I laughed when she said the closest Planned Parenthood clinic is 3h away. Lady haven't you heard of condoms? They're not only in bowls at collage campuses, but you can also buy them from stores. They tend to be cheaper than raising a kid or getting syphilis. Also alot of institutions who fight against HIV tend to hand them out for free.  



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:38 AM

Again, you guys are all missing the point.  You're using words like "decide" as if the writer planned all of these things.  She didn't.  That's the point.  There is no planning, there is no future, there is only the moment, and taking what small bits of solace, comfort, or pleasure when you can.  That's it.  Nothing more.  It's a different mindset, a different way of thinking — a different way of being — that develops when life has beaten you down to the point where there is no hope left.

 

We will have to disagree then because she was already in a crap situation before all her choices made it worse and it seems the start of the problem was getting pregnant with her first child, everything else she wirtes was compounded by that prior action.

 

Sure she is accepting her life has no "American dream future" but she is a damn lot better off than really poor people who can't even afford to drink/smoke/roof over head.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:53 AM

I am disappointed by the lack of compassion here.  :(



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:36 PM

Reminds me of this post:
 
5 Things Nobody Tells You About Being Poor



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:43 PM

Actually, that wasn't the one I wanted.
 
This is (and more relevant to the 'bad decisions' part):
 
7 Things No One Tells You About Being Homeless



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:33 PM

Both of those are really good.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:33 PM

I am disappointed by the lack of compassion here.  :(

 

It is possible to feel a sense of compassion for someone while also believing they've brought their circumstances on themselves at least in part. The story is very poignant and insightful into, as KiWi put it, the human condition. The fact is she did make decisions that were good in the short term but have caused her to spin her wheels in the long term. She admits that much throughout the entire thing. She sees that she's making decisions that are self destructive, and yet the conditions she mentions cause her to make them anyway. Her feelings of defeat and acceptance of her place in life are what's keeping her from moving on to better things in my opinion, and yet her situation is still tragic and moving. Is she at least partially at fault for being where she is now? I think so. If I knew her personally, would I try to help? I would like to think that I would.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:00 PM

She lead herself to where she is now? The point of the article, at least, is that she didn't. She didn't decide to be poor, she was born into it, and while it's not impossible to, if you will, rise in society, it's damn hard, and there are, in effect, a limited number of places. Not everyone can pull themselves up in to the better jobs, or the promotions, there simply aren't enough, and some people will always be on the bottom of the pile, all you can do is try and change the level the bottom rests on.

 

Ellis, maybe that was her point of the article but everything else in the article is leading me to believe she did lead herself into this and she keeps digging a deeper and deeper trench for herself... it is really sad!



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:39 PM

Most developed societies have systems in place that prevent this kind of cycle of desperation. We shake our heads and say, "Ah, what a shame."

Like I said, I am disappointed by the lack of compassion. I am disappointed that the first reaction is, "That's too bad, but it's her own fault" and not what we could do to help people who find themselves in this situation. Maybe even prevent it. But why should we do that? After all, if people are poor it's obviously their own fault.

I misspoke above. I am not disappointed, I am disgusted.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:50 PM

I don't really see much here for what to feel compassion for her. Most of us don't have ivy league education and have to start at entry level jobs anyhow. Now the rest is up to us. We can either get high and have 4 kids and work 2 jobs. But in the end of the day washing more and more dishes won't cut it. You got to increase your productivity to the employer. For that you must work your ass off and keep improving your skills every day and solve more difficult tasks. 

 

Instead of complaining about "this housing arrangement sucks" one ought to think what s/he needs to do to get a promotion. And yes it's a hard life. Others are out there to get the same things. But in the end of the day it's not impossible, you just have to make smart decisions. 

 

And I don't understand what kind of system you would have in mind Jorost? Sure I support that people should get free education and healthcare - but this is not the case here. Like she said she's too lazy to drive to planned parenthood or buy birth control. Now she has 4 financial disasters on her hands for next 20 years. And that's really a key issue here - kids cost money. A lot of it. We can make it easier for sure - pay for their schooling, school lunches, school books from the state's side - but it doesn't take away parents' own investment side. 

 

I just typed out and then deleted that she seems intelligent from here writing and she could work her way out of it. But excuse me, I can not get pass the fact that's she's so irresponsible to get pregnant 4 times in her situation. 

 

Financially I haven't had the easiest childhood. I was raised by a single mom after my "dad" took off in a post soviet society in the crises of 1990s. But I had a great mom, who thought through very well what she did. And I just can not accept people saying "there's no way out if it". There is. I've come from there. 


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