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Posted 08 September 2010 - 12:47 PM

One of the things that I have always said I wanted to do was to learn to play an instrument. So I finally decided to go ahead and do it. I went to Guitar Center the other day and bought a Yamaha FG700S acoustic guitar. I did some research and that consistently came up as an excellent guitar for beginners. On Monday I'm going to have my first lesson.

Sperley, CMerrigan, start writing songs for me. :D



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Posted 08 September 2010 - 01:23 PM

Good luck, I've tried to play guitar but my fingers just aren't adept enough. I can play Iron Man, Smoke on the Water, Wild Thing, Hells Bells, and Breaking the Law.

And when I say play, I mean the intros. :D

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 01:25 PM

You can now perform our official theme song.

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 01:35 PM

Fuck I wasn't able to take a guitar with me. I have to wait about another 3 weeks before I'll have any of my children with me. If so I could probably write a few things to help you. Remind me again in a few weeks!

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 04:41 PM

If you were here I could give you a couple "practice" songs I wrote to help me with chord transitions. It looks like a pretty good guitar, I prefer spruce to cedar tops in general, and the standard dreadnaught body type is my preference in general as well. Good times. :D Keep us posted!

This thread makes me want to pull out my acoustic. I've been playing bass mostly lately but I have a Martin D15 that I love. I went to the shop intending to buy a Taylor and just fell in love with the sound of the Martin, I couldn't put it down. I wish I could say I play it well but that would be a lie, I enjoy it though.

Music is awesome, this is a very good call. :D

Edit: I just linked to the D15, but I bought mine like 8 years ago, when guitar prices were a lot lower. It seems to me that I got it with an installed pickup for like $650, but I don't remember. I certainy didn't pay a thousand dollars for it, though I have to say I think it's worth the money. :D

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 06:27 PM

Glen, with your hand pain I'm surprised you can play at all. Does it exacerbate the situation?

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 09:55 PM

It depends on the day, and how much I play. The short answer is yes, and the accoustic is harder on my hands than the bass, which is part of why I play the bass, though honestly I just love bass. But I still like to play the martin. The martin is "for me", in the sense that it's what I play when I'm alone and I just need to relax, express myself, worship that sort of thing. It's sort of like my western American version of meditation. lol I've also used it when playing rhythym accoustic with a band, and I've loaned it out to people who needed it for a gig several times (only people I trust, but honestly I like hearing it played well). I take pretty heavy narcotic pain relievers every day, so it's not usually too bad.

I started on Classical, which I honestly think is the best way to start, and that doesn't hurt my hands much at all. I haven't had the classical out in a while though. The reason it's so much easier to learn on is that it has wider string spacing, nylon strings which don't cut fingers the way steel ones do, and much lower string tension. So it's just way easier to play. But it's also a very different type of music. I lucked out on the classical, it's a 50+ year old Yamaha that I paid $50 for when I needed one for lessons, and it sounds great. I've played $300-400 guitars that I don't think sound as good. Sometimes that just happens. :D

My friends mockingly refer to me as a guitar collector rather than a guitar player. At one point (briefly) I had six guitars, but I'm down to three functional guitars, and one junk guitar that I'm either going to repair and sell or give away. My Bass is a replica of the '72 Fender Jazz Bass played by Geddy Lee, and I really like it. I made a couple modifications based on my preferred playing style, like a thumb rest I carved myself out of ebony that fits between the pickups. That's my "main" instrument. The martin of course, and the classical are the other two. My first guitar ever was an electric called a yamaha Pacifica, basically a clone of a Fender strat. I sold that with the amp and stuff to a friend. I also had a 2003 Epiphone Les Paul Custom+ which was the last year it was made will all Gibson hardware and pickups. I should have gotten more for it but I sold it for $550 with the case so I could put the money towards my bass. In the end it was a good call because I never played the Paul, but it was sooooooo beautiful. I really miss it. Aside from my bass none of my guitars were at all what most musicians would call expensive. They were all "mediocre" instruments, but I liked them, and I liked having a variety of different types of guitar available, for different styles of music. I just wish I could play better.

My Dad has a kickass Taylor that he won't let me play, literally. It really annoys me, but I can sort of understand it. His Taylor is probably worth more than all of my guitars together. He also has a washburn travel guitar that sucks, we should sell that.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 01:02 AM

I can commiserate with being an instrument collector. I have 6 guitars, a bass, and a ukulele, and that's just the simple stringed instruments. One of my electrics is in a million pieces, it's been my project for a while now; stripping it down to the wood, repainting it, rewiring it, cleaning the tone pots, all that fun refurb stuff. My classical is the current loaner to whoever decides they want to learn at the time. But yeah, I could probably furnish a small town music shop with all the stuff in my house.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 08:54 PM

Good luck, I've tried to play guitar but my fingers just aren't adept enough. I can play Iron Man, Smoke on the Water, Wild Thing, Hells Bells, and Breaking the Law.

And when I say play, I mean the intros. :D


I can play the beginning of "One" while it's still only one note at a time :D

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 07:54 PM

OK, well, I had my first lesson today. It was pretty cool. But some of those hand positions are HARD. The F to G switch is a bitch for me in particular. But at least I have taken the first step on my long journey to being able to play "Here Comes the Sun." :D

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:44 PM

Are you doing the barred F or the open F? Not that either is terribly easy, but the barred F is much easier when transitioning to G, it just requires a lot of hand strength. Steel string guitars are the hardest to start on because of the string tension, steel strings which hurt like hell until you build up callouses, and relatively high action. But if you stick with it then you'll really be glad. You're just a sadist. I usually recommend electric or classical when somebody is starting. :D

Here comes the sun, which I used to play great and probably couldn't play now without a lot of practice ( :D ) is actually capoed at something like the eleventh fret, which makes it a lot easier to play. It probably wouldn't be as hard for you as you think. :D

Another really good easy beetles song to learn early is "Blackbird". It's all acoustic, doesn't require barring, and gives you an introduction to a main-stay of finger style accoustic guitar; the travis pick. It's tricky at first, but once you get the picking pattern down it's REALLY easy, and tons of fun, and impressive to people that don't play guitar. :) Another famous song that uses a travis pick pattern is "Dust in the Wind" by Kansas, so once you get Blackbird you can pick that up pretty fast.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:47 PM

It's open G. The problem for me is the finger stretch from F to G. It's just at the edge of my fingers' reach. But fiddling around I think I found a better hand position that made it a bit easier. It's just going to be a matter of practice I guess.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:44 PM

Yeah definitely. But I was actually asking about closed or open F. The open F you pretty much have to reverse your finger positions to play G (at least the common voicing of it), the closed F you don't, that's why I was curious. The open F is necessary for songs like "Dust in the Wind" though so I guess it doesn't really matter. Fun fun. :D Practice is definitely the name of the game.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 11:08 PM

Practice, practice, then practice some more.

Then do it again.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:27 AM

Everything I'm learning is open for now.

I brought my guitar to school today. I figured if it's quite in my office at some point I would practice a little there. As if my office didn't already emit a gravitational pull that attracts every kid in the building, what with my Star Wars posters and all. Heh.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:42 AM

Nice! Which posters? I have a long-term dream of owning one of each of the original movie posters (for the original trilogy, I don't really care about the new ones) including a "Revenge of the Jedi" movie poster. Right now I just have a (decent) print of the original Star Wars one sheet poster from 1977, but it's hanging above my bed. Some day...

I do have an original "Star Trek: First Contact" movie poster framed and hanging in my room, but I got that because my Dad worked part-time in the theater at the time (helping a small local theater get started) and since they coludn't afford to pay him much they gave him things like that poster, let the family watch movies free, that sort of thing. :D It's my only "real" movie poster. But some day...

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 11:50 AM

My office at school has a general "Star Wars Saga" poster, with characters from all three of the original movies, as well as a Darth Vader poster. I also have posters for Toy Story (the green guys who say "the claw, the claw"), Cars, "Sponge Bob," the first four Superman movies (those are small, only about 5x8" each), "Scooby Doo," Marvel Comics (with most of their major characters), and Pixar (it has the Incredibles, Buzz Lightyear & Woody, Nemo, Wall-E, etc.). I tried to pick things that would be kid-friendly for the age range we have (preschool to 5th grade).

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 12:46 PM

OK, I have been futzing with this for a while now, and I do not understand how anyone can get their fingers in the open G position. My hand just will not bend that way! I was given four chords to practice, Am, E, Em, and G (Am to E transitions, Em to G transitions). The other three I can do just fine, but that G is killing me. How the hell do people do this?

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 12:57 PM

...G was the first chord I learned, literally. I always had more problems with A and F, by far. How are you trying to play it? If you have access to a web cam and skype I could probably get with you tonight and show you how I do it, and see how you're doing it and what not. I'm just missing something here. Of course I have pretty big hands, I don't remember one way or the other but maybe you just have small hands. There is definitely an element of "stretching" to playing guitar, in the sense that fingers have to move farther apart from each other then they do usually, and that takes some getting used to.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 01:01 PM

I have pretty big hands, actually. I just can't seem to get my fingers in the right position without brushing against another string and/or having one or more string not sound right. I do have a web cam and Skype, so maybe I'll try you later. I'm going to ask a friend of mine who can play if he's around tonight, too.

Interesting side note: My teacher was nominated for a Grammy in the 1980s. He lost out to Jeff Beck. Heh.

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