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How do you think we should approach Syrian refugee immigration?

  1. BAN THEM ALL! ╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ (2 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. LET THEM ALL IN, OPEN BORDERS. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Restricted immigration, but not an outright ban. (4 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  4. Let them come in to refugee camps and then be vetted, rather than denied completely. (1 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  5. Potatoes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (3 votes [30.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

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#1 Manoka

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 01:12 PM

So, right now there's very little discourse between the left and the right. They can't really talk to each other without one side calling the other racist, sexist, islamaphobic and so on. As a result, the normal diachtomy of how things are supposed to work is out of sync. Normally, Republicans would bring up an issue, say, security. And then democrats would bring up an issue, say humanitarianism. Both sides would then work together to come up with a solution and solve the problem without denying the other the core elements of what they wanted. 
 
The republicans have legitimate concerns that the 7 countries where immigrants are coming from are terrorist havens. More so, crime, such as rape and assaults have gone up dramatically in Germany and Norway after allowing in all these migrants, and so as a result there is a legitimate concern Germany is now literally the rape capital of Europe, and yet maybe America should do that too, right? [1][2] A lot of Muslims live in countries where if a woman isn't wearing a hijab or Burka that she is seen as wanting sex, and therefore a lot of these young men who are unemployed and psychologically scarred from war are further pressed in to groping or in the worst circumstances, even raping woman. Whether you want to say it's because of cultural differences or it's not true for all Islamic people and so on is fine, but the fact of the matter is, it's still happening. It's one thing to show tolerance for another culture's ways, it's another to outright deny that these problems exist. 
 
The truth of the matter is that both sides have legitimate points; one is concerned with security, and the other is concerned with humanitarian purposes. So, what do we do? My personal opinion is to let the refugees in to refugee camps, but not allow them to leave until they've been vetted. The simple answer is to quarantine them from the rest of society until we can prove they are decent people *and* provide them with a home, job and necessary language and cultural skills needed to work in our society, rather than just dumping them in the middle of the biggest city and leaving it at that. Democrats seem to be so obsessed with letting immigrants in, but don't seem to want to take care of them once they get here. Creating a homeless population of a million new migrants that have nowhere to stay is just as bad as leaving them back in Syria or wherever their home country is, and unless you actually try and help these people you're just as guilty as those you claim to hate, and just want to virtue signal about how accepting you are, rather than actually giving a fuck about the outcome of what happens to these migrants. To ignore the legitimate security concerns of the Republicans through character assassination ironically does not justify or give credence to your own argument, which thus far is to claim that the ban is because the other side is a bigot, and to have open borders. 
 
Even if Trump is a bigot that doesn't, by itself, mean his legislation is necessary bad. Many of the founding fathers literally owned other people and yet supported the first amendment; should we do away with it just because a racist supported it, or keep it because it's actually a good idea? The sad reality is that Liberals attack the other side for arbitrary characteristics that don't even prove their side right or acknowledge the legitimate difficulty taking in immigrants will provide for the American people. If you actually wanted to make a fair argument, you would say that he chose the 7 countries for the SAME REASON OBAMA DID, but that Obama wasn't as harsh. When you say he chose these 7 islamic majority countries due to bigotry, you ironically condemn the entire left and Obama in the same breath. He chose these countries because they represent a legitimate threat to security, not because he was an Islamaphobe. However, the overly harsh restrictions seem unjustified both due to a general lack of terrorism from these countries, and the fact that a restriction of leaving a refugee camp, rather than entering the country at all, seems more justified. We can keep security concerns and humanitarian concerns at the forefront, without one necessarily canceling out the other. 
 
 
 
But the liberals seem to be incapable of actual reasonable discourse. Anyone who disagrees with them is an islampahobe or a racist, despite the fact that they supported immigration restrictions on the same 7 countries for the same reason. It is clearly not a muslim ban, and if it is the left is guilty of it as well. The question in the debate should be the harshness and severity of Trumps action and his bypassing of congress to do it via executive order, rather than whether or not he wanted to ban muslims. But, like always, what do you think Invicta?




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 01:28 PM

You need to start taking them before you can refuse them.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:10 PM

You need to start taking them before you can refuse them.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:23 PM

You need to start taking them before you can refuse them.

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 03:15 AM

Oh boy.

So, right now there's very little discourse between the left and the right. They can't really talk to each other without one side calling the other racist, sexist, islamophobic and so on. As a result, the normal dichotomy of how things are supposed to work is out of sync. Normally, Republicans would bring up an issue, say, security. And then democrats would bring up an issue, say humanitarianism. Both sides would then work together to come up with a solution and solve the problem without denying the other the core elements of what they wanted.

What a dream world. In reality land they dragged their feet shouted and screamed till they got what they wanted and if someone was foolish enough to comprise it world get destroyed to a shit heap. They don't work together and haven't for years.

The republicans have legitimate concerns that the 7 countries where immigrants are coming from are terrorist havens. More so, crime, such as rape and assaults have gone up dramatically in Germany and Norway after allowing in all these migrants, and so as a result there is a legitimate concern Germany is now literally the rape capital of Europe, and yet maybe America should do that too, right? [1][2] A lot of Muslims live in countries where if a woman isn't wearing a hijab or Burka that she is seen as wanting sex, and therefore a lot of these young men who are unemployed and psychologically scarred from war are further pressed in to groping or in the worst circumstances, even raping woman. Whether you want to say it's because of cultural differences or it's not true for all Islamic people and so on is fine, but the fact of the matter is, it's still happening. It's one thing to show tolerance for another culture's ways, it's another to outright deny that these problems exist.

Not in the list of 7 countries are the ones the US likes doing business in but have produced more terrorists than the 7 combined. The 7 nations on the list are in active wars or have internal armed conflicts. On average refugees even when trying to do their best to commit crimes don't do so more than the local population. Meanwhile rape numbers seems to go through the roof because people are more and more willing to report them and requirements are lower to be counted than in America.

The truth of the matter is that both sides have legitimate points; one is concerned with security, and the other is concerned with humanitarian purposes. So, what do we do? My personal opinion is to let the refugees in to refugee camps, but not allow them to leave until they've been vetted. The simple answer is to quarantine them from the rest of society until we can prove they are decent people *and* provide them with a home, job and necessary language and cultural skills needed to work in our society, rather than just dumping them in the middle of the biggest city and leaving it at that. Democrats seem to be so obsessed with letting immigrants in, but don't seem to want to take care of them once they get here. Creating a homeless population of a million new migrants that have nowhere to stay is just as bad as leaving them back in Syria or wherever their home country is, and unless you actually try and help these people you're just as guilty as those you claim to hate, and just want to virtue signal about how accepting you are, rather than actually giving a fuck about the outcome of what happens to these migrants. To ignore the legitimate security concerns of the Republicans through character assassination ironically does not justify or give credence to your own argument, which thus far is to claim that the ban is because the other side is a bigot, and to have open borders.

The US simply doesn't do that, even legal immigration as idiotic requirements and people thing refugees and shit and just walk in. They even get checked before they are allowed to come to the US unlike in Europe where we don't have a large ocean they can't cross. Just a garbage barrage of feels before reals.

Even if Trump is a bigot that doesn't, by itself, mean his legislation is necessary bad. Many of the founding fathers literally owned other people and yet supported the first amendment; should we do away with it just because a racist supported it, or keep it because it's actually a good idea? The sad reality is that Liberals attack the other side for arbitrary characteristics that don't even prove their side right or acknowledge the legitimate difficulty taking in immigrants will provide for the American people. If you actually wanted to make a fair argument, you would say that he chose the 7 countries for the SAME REASON OBAMA DID, but that Obama wasn't as harsh. When you say he chose these 7 islamic majority countries due to bigotry, you ironically condemn the entire left and Obama in the same breath. He chose these countries because they represent a legitimate threat to security, not because he was an Islamophobe. However, the overly harsh restrictions seem unjustified both due to a general lack of terrorism from these countries, and the fact that a restriction of leaving a refugee camp, rather than entering the country at all, seems more justified. We can keep security concerns and humanitarian concerns at the forefront, without one necessarily canceling out the other.

And this is the point where I start to grunt, over the years I have started to hate reading long form shit. It doesn't add anything else than just repeating the same shit while it gets displayed as a long and pretty thing on screen. You just add more shit on a complete shit foundation.

But the liberals seem to be incapable of actual reasonable discourse. Anyone who disagrees with them is an islamophobe or a racist, despite the fact that they supported immigration restrictions on the same 7 countries for the same reason. It is clearly not a muslim ban, and if it is the left is guilty of it as well. The question in the debate should be the harshness and severity of Trumps action and his bypassing of congress to do it via executive order, rather than whether or not he wanted to ban muslims. But, like always, what do you think Invicta?

No it isn't the same reason, you just have to listen to the child Trump speak that he does it for his islamophobic backing for islamophobic reason.

Oh and add some angry rant about the left not having existed in america from about the times of the red scare.

F-- See me after class, you forgot a few perfect spots for a but hillary argument that is popular these days.

Sincerely,
Fuck off.

Edited by He who posts, 09 February 2017 - 03:18 AM.


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 12:15 AM

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:10 AM

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Silly people "he's banning people from certain countries cause they Muslim!". Umm no, since the 5 biggest Muslim population countries aren't in the list.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:33 AM

Are the 7 countries he banned primarily Muslim? Yes. Did he put an emphasis on vetting Muslims heavier? Yes. Did he state multiple times that the ban was to protect Christians? Also yes. The "5 biggest Muslim countries argument" is a strawman as well. Trump has business in those countries as well. The conflict of interest in the Oval Office is astounding

Edited by Justavictim82, 21 February 2017 - 09:34 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:27 PM

Were those 7 countries on a list created by the Obama administration and US intelligence agencies as nationals of those countries or used as a potential spring boards for those who travel to commit terrorism? Yes.

Regardless of whatever coincidence you can pull out of a hat, he was working with current US intelligence and decided he needed to review the vetting process and the best and safest way to do that is to put a temporary hold on immigration from those countries.

He is/was getting a lot of criticism for it and for once its undeniably not his fault, as the finger should be pointing to the intelligence agencies and previous administration.... Where is the outrage over that?

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