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Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:34 PM

The unstoppable force meets the immovable object

 

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Basically A- it gets absorbed B- it gets deflected or C- time space warps so signifigantly that it gets redirected without actually changing it's physical path, but the spacetime path!

 

So yep. xP

 





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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

I don't understand the concept of an immovable object because that violates Newton's third law which states for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Basically the force you apply on the object will theoretically cause it to move ever so slightly. If I were to jump I move and the earth also moves a negligible amount. The person uses the stump example as an immovable object. Yes you can't move the stump out of the ground because you can't apply enough force but it will move slightly. So I am a little confused on how immovable is defined and if it is even possible to have an immovable object.

 

I don't really understand how you can move the object through time either. Wouldn't the object still exist at the point in time the force hit it and even if the object got transported through time would there be two objects with one still being hit by the force. You would have to change the past so the object was never there to begin with.



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:45 PM

Through spacetime, which also includes space, so you're moving the space around it, essentially.

 

Also force doesn't require movement, since work implies movement; an infinite amount of force *technically* doesn't have to move anything.

 

 

While the stump will move slightly, it's possible that say, compressed water, won't be compressed anymore, or say, a solid chunk of iron etc.

 

Also an unstoppable force may not have a physical entity; thus it's "pure force"; while technically impossible, without momentum, it doesn't *technically* have to move it.

 

 

Light for instance has no mass, and thus it should have no momentum; but it does.

 

Gamma rays have substantially less momentum, so they're harder to make power from, while microwaves are the easiest, which is why microwaves are used to boil water inside microwaves, since it transfers energy the best, or has the most momentum. Without any momentum, however, mass or no mass, it won't actually move or, might not neccesarily move. Since none of these objects actually exist it's questionable as to what might happen or if an unstoppable force would have momentum or not; technically, an unstoppable force doesn't have to have momentum, but idk how that would work in real life, there could even be multiple types of unstoppable forces. Which is why I describe multiple scenarios. xP


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 09:55 AM

Science has nothing to say here. Neither one of the constituents of the problem can possibly exist. Soooo... iunno. 



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 10:29 AM

Think about it though.

 

Infinite force = infinite energy = infinite mass when it comes into contact with the object.

 

 

Thus it creates a massive space time anamoly, warping space, and redirecting them, so they only briefly remain in contact, for the shortest amount of time possible.

 

It makes sense.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 08:36 PM

We're talking about a made up hypothetical object here, but the truth is we have no idea what the frame of reference of the universe is or if there's an immovable object or not.

 

Additionally a black hole is ummovable, since anything that comes into contact with it is sucked into and destroyed; thus, black holes are immovable objects, even if theoretically the mass could be moved if they weren't a blackhole anymore.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 09:56 PM

Black holes are moveable, gravity moves them, and they don't suck it in.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 10:42 PM

Black holes are moveable, gravity moves them, and they don't suck it in.

 

Black holes have so much gravity that is moves space time so considerably itself that; hey wait, doesn't gravity move stuff by bending space time? O_O



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Posted 02 June 2013 - 01:54 AM

Gravity is a warp in space time. And the best bit is it works counter intuitively. The Earth doesn't pull you to it, you're pushed by space onto the Earth.



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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:46 PM

Well if space time is moving then you aren't really moving, space is moving. :P



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 06:13 AM

Black holes are not only movable, they have had their movement tracked. Most galaxies have black holes near the centres, and galaxies move.



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 10:48 AM

Gravity is a warp in space time. And the best bit is it works counter intuitively. The Earth doesn't pull you to it, you're pushed by space onto the Earth.

 

I had a good laugh at that stupid comment.



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 06:35 PM

Gravity is a warp in space time. And the best bit is it works counter intuitively. The Earth doesn't pull you to it, you're pushed by space onto the Earth.

 

I had a good laugh at that stupid comment.

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Right and how much astrophysics did you do?



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:29 PM

Gravity isn't a warp in spacetime, it's a quantum force. It can cause warps in spacetime but it's the same kind of force as electricity and the lesser and greater atomic forces.



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:45 PM

Gravity isn't a warp in spacetime, it's a quantum force. It can cause warps in spacetime but it's the same kind of force as electricity and the lesser and greater atomic forces.

 

But there's no unified field theory yet God damn it!

 

And we don't even know if the higgs boson is real!

 

 

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 05:47 PM

 

Gravity is a warp in space time. And the best bit is it works counter intuitively. The Earth doesn't pull you to it, you're pushed by space onto the Earth.

 

I had a good laugh at that stupid comment.

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Right and how much astrophysics did you do?

 

I'm just a simple documentary buff which funnily enough includes programmes by Brian Cox (a particle physicist). So how do you a "self-proclaimed mathematician" know more than an particle physicist?

 

But do carry on questioning my intelligence like you're looking down your nose at me, it just makes you come across as a know it all who knows fuck all.



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:06 PM

GOD MADE THE UNIVERSES SO LETS PRAY TO GOD AND MAYBE HE WILL ANSWER US. MAYBE!



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:23 PM

 

 

Gravity is a warp in space time. And the best bit is it works counter intuitively. The Earth doesn't pull you to it, you're pushed by space onto the Earth.

 

I had a good laugh at that stupid comment.

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Right and how much astrophysics did you do?

 

I'm just a simple documentary buff which funnily enough includes programmes by Brian Cox (a particle physicist). So how do you a "self-proclaimed mathematician" know more than an particle physicist?

 

But do carry on questioning my intelligence like you're looking down your nose at me, it just makes you come across as a know it all who knows fuck all.

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Okay first off, I know who Brian Cox is. Secondly, I'm not a self proclamed anything. I've been a student of astrophysics, and now I'm a student of computer science, which does a lot of maths interestingly enough.

 

 

Gravity isn't a warp in spacetime, it's a quantum force. It can cause warps in spacetime but it's the same kind of force as electricity and the lesser and greater atomic forces.

 

Gravity is that too. With the minor problem in that we have never seen a graviton. It has to be a space warp at the very least, we've seen warp effects, and relativity sort of points to it. You can sort of imagine it like light, which is both a wave and a particle. Gravity is both a quantum force and a spatial warp. From a certain point of view, the spatial warp is pushing you with a force dependant on the gravitational constant. From another view, the quantum force is pulling you in a similar way to an electromagnetic force with a constant of the gravitational constant. Until we actually figure out how a quantum force causes a spatial warp, or whatever, we won't know what's wrong about one or more of these views.



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:44 PM



Sums up my thoughts on all this theoretical bullshit talk.


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