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In the first case, the Trolley Problem, what do you do?

  1. Nothing, resulting in the death of five people. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Pull the lever, diverting the trolley and killing one person but saving five. (10 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

In the second case, the Fat Man, what do you do?

  1. Nothing, resulting in the death of five people. (5 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. Push the fat man over, killing him but saving five. (5 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:43 AM

These are two classic morality problems.

 

#1.  The Trolley Problem

 

There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. Unfortunately, you notice that there is one person on the side track. You do not have the ability to operate the lever in a way that would cause the trolley to derail without loss of life (for example, holding the lever in an intermediate position so that the trolley goes between the two sets of tracks, or pulling the lever after the front wheels pass the switch, but before the rear wheels do). You have two options:

  1. Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track.
  2. Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.

What do you do?

 

#2.  The Fat Man

 

As before, a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You are on a bridge under which it will pass.  There is a very fat man next to you – your only way to stop the trolley is to push him over the bridge and onto the track, which will kill him but prevent the other five from dying. As before you have two options:

  1. Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track.
  2. Push the man over, killing one person to save five.

What do you do?

 

Is one choice more moral than the other?  Why?





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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:55 PM

Interactive version: http://philosophyexperiments.com/fatman/Default.aspx

 

Lots of other great ones here: http://philosophyexperiments.com/

 

Some of them link together, so the more you do the more info it has and it can give you more detailed results.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 02:00 AM

I don't want to pick either, since I wouldn't have to do either to save everyone. :P



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 03:54 PM

Yes you would.  That's the premise of the problem.  These are your only two options.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:34 PM

In the first case, do nothing.

 

In the second case, push the fat guy, cuz he's fat.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 08:04 PM

Well fine.

 

I'd pretty much pick option two for them all. Only because saving more lives is better than just saving one to the expense of 5.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:07 PM

Utilitarianism~ Ho~~~ :3

 

In both cases, squish the fat guy.

 

 

Here's a good one, do a repeat of both of them where the fat guy is replaced with your mother. oooooh~ Now it's high stakes~



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 07:41 AM

Eh, I'd still save the 5 over one. :P



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Posted 26 January 2014 - 11:18 AM

Interesting.  In the first case I say kill the one.  But in the second case I do not think I would push the fat guy over.  Mostly because I hate touching fat people.

 

It's all squishy.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:43 AM

Use the nearest stick like object! :D



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 11:41 AM

My head just exploded. I'm so thankful that today trains are way way too big and too fast for this situation to ever occur.




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